Chemo JAN 2017

Glad to be of some help.

 

Slowski - hope all is well, and that they can get the neutropenia under control without you having to go into hospital. I also hope you get some help with your mouth, the sooner you get something the better and the less likely it is to develop into something worse.

 

Scotty - I didn’t suffer much with joint pain with Tax, and what I had didn’t last more than three or four days, but I was probably exceptionally lucky in that regard, as it is another of the common SEs. The one piece of advice I can give is that it is more effective at controlling the pain if you start to take painkillers before the pain starts than afterwards. The nurses in the chemotherapy unit told me this, and they always gave me a couple of Paracetamol just before the Tax infusion. I then took one or two three times a day the following few days, but I didn’t need them beyond Day 4. You can also alternate Paracetamol with Ibuprofen, but be careful to allow the minimum specified time between doses, and not to exceed the total daily maximum. If in doubt about how to alternate, how many to take and how often, always ask a nurse or doctor. If Paracetamol and Ibuprofen aren’t enough, and the pain has persisted for more than a couple of days, I would go back to the unit and insist on something stronger. You may have to go to your GP if the unit won’t help - you shouldn’t be left in severe pain on top of everything else the Tax has thrown at you.

Cracking post Old Dawn!
Lovely picture Jackie
Slowski thinking of you and hope you’re ok
Had my RT appointment today. I will start my radiotherapy on 22 may and will need 4 weeks.
Advice on joint pain pain relief would be appreciated from anyone as I don’t fancy experiencing that level of pain next time!
Xx

The joint pain for my first tax was awful and reduced me to tears several times, even though I was taking paracetamol, cocodamol and ibuprofen regularly. I found naproxen, although didn’t take it away completely, kept it well under control. I also think the actual pain I experienced was less each cycle anyway - this last one has been strangely easy all round.
Not everyone gets that level of pain though - we all seem to get different levels of SEs.

For advice on joint pain, I suggest looking on September and October threads to see what other sufferers have been given for it.

 

I know that the GCSF injections can cause it and some of you may have already had this during the FEC cycles. Unfortunately the Tax also causes pains, so it can get worse at this stage with the cumulative effects.

 

It doesn’t mean you should suffer in silence though. Any severe pain that goes on for more than two or three days and doesn’t respond to ordinary painkillers should be checked out by a nurse or doctor.

Awesome post Dawn! Thank you!
Fabulous pic Jackie - so nice to put a face to your name and I’m loving your dog photobombing in the background :relaxed:
I’ve only gone bald in front of my OH, daughter and a good friend. Oh and inadvertently,a lady working in the changing rooms - my curtain wasn’t quite shut and I suddenly saw her staring through the gap, mouth open! It hit me at the time but now I’m determined to embrace my baldness at least once in public - my mark as a fighter. Thank you Jackie for your inspiration xx

Ebim - you just heat the salt with the water in a saucepan over a low heat and stir. It should dissolve within a minute or so. Half a pint should be enough to last you a day. You don’t have to use it warm, you just need to apply heat to dissolve it in the water.

 

Here is a link to some general advice on mouth care from Cancer Research UK - this explains about the mouth wash, but I found half the quantity per day was enough:

 cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/coping/physically/mouth-problems/mouth-care

Back from spending night on drip in hospital. Neutrophils seem to have bounced back and am starting to feel like me again, albeit with the sensation of dirty coins in my mouth. Staff were all fab, oncology nurse came down to medical ward when doctor did rounds and discharge so it felt like joined up care. Had a really nice chat with the acute medical consultant as I was leaving, she said for next chemos just come straight in if temperature over 37.5, don’t bother to phone out of hours, just do it.

Hope everyones getting through this week ok.

Hiya! Slowski - hope you’re ok!
Just to echo what you said - I had my second weekly tax today (round 1, part 2) and my nurse said temp of 37.7, just go to hospital!
Nearly missed my chemo as wbc had dropped from 8 to 2 in a week and neut was 0.9. The nurse said I’d more than likely have to go home but they needed an onc to make the call. Luckily as I’m tolerating reasonably well, he decided to let me continue.
Egg and anyone who has had to miss a chemo, I get how bloody disappointing it is. When I thought I was going to go home, I nearly burst into tears - and this is just weekly dose so a third of a round!
Anyway, I got zapped and looking forward to my 3am steroid wake up call ?
Love to you all xxx

Hi lindielioo. It’s miserable isn’t it. Mine lasted 6 days, about 4 bad days. It does pass but feels like forever when you’re going through it.
Hope it eases soon. X

Hello lovely ladies.

I am now day 5 of tax. This chemo business throws up so many different SEs. I was completely wiped out on day 1 and 2, and litteraly couldn’t stay awake or move from the sofa. Yesterday, the aches and pains started but so far they are bearable and I am coping with just paracetamol. If I am lucky I this will be as bad as they get for me…but who knows! I have found my scars seem to be aching and a bit painful, is this the chemo working?

Jackie, it is lovely to put a face to a name. You photo is a beautiful and radiates positivity.

Hope everyone gets to enjoy some spring sunshine this weekend.

Nicky x

Slowski - glad they were abie to get the neutrophils sorted and that you are back home now. Is your mouth still sore or is it just the metallic taste?

 

Nicky - you couldn’t move off the sofa and it felt as though there were lead weights tied to your arms and legs? This is what they mean by fatigue. It got gradually worse during my Tax cycles, but it wasn’t all the time, so you will probably have good days and bad days and recover to an extent during the last week of the cycle. For the pains, try taking the Paracetamol before the infusion next time as this will probably control it better. Can’t help regarding effects on scar though I’m afraid, because I had my surgery afterwards. 

Evening Teddies,

Glad you are out of hospital Slowski and Wtp.

Jackie, what a warrior for posting your photo, you look great! Scotty, did you ever have the family studio portrait taken that you had been offered? I haven’t exposed my moth eaten head to anyone except OH, nurses and the LGFB group I went to, yet.

Old Dawn, thanks for the posts, I don’t feel much like reporting for duty on Monday for Tax 1.  I am pinning my hopes on Robin’s feedback that it wasn’t too bad.

Gathering together your tips, I have Ibuprofen, paracetamol and Clarityn ready, I have been applying heel balm for the last couple of weeks (sorry, I couldn’t find whose suggestion that was), I am going to paint my nails for the next 9 weeks, to keep the UV light out - I have been using Evonail for the previous 9 weeks and my nails are better than normal. I have salt and bicarb ready for mouthwash.

i will follow my usual Fast Diet for the weekend (no cream cakes on Mothers Day), I have no idea if it has helped so far but I am not willing to try a session without doing it as it has been going well. 

Nicky, my scar hurt and kept bruising when I started chemo, I guess it’s the area we want the chemo to be targeting. I added to my pain though by playing tug of war with the dog last weekend and a sharp tug pulled something under my scar so that’s been hurting for a few days!

I hate the weekend before each chemo but then I don’t suppose anyone looks forward to it, apart from being able to tick another one off. Keep the inspirational quotes coming.

Ebim, you are up for Tax1 too next week aren’t you?

Beedot x

 

My dear Tax Warriors.

Private Jackie reporting for duty.

Firstly a huge thank you to Sgt Old Dawn for deserting her own platoon, and coming to visit us.

Your posts have been a great help, and source of amusement.

So many of you new Taxers have recently started, and commented, that my poor chemo brain and memory can’t remember all of you individually to comment. I do apologise.

You all seem to be having similar sorts of SEs to me.

I’m 8 days post Tax 4, and, pardon the language, it has been the most crap so far.

Docetaxol - the chemo drug that keeps on giving!

I’ve had nausea again most days.

Joint pain.

My skin is starting to develop sores, even though I’m using E45 to moisturise.

The rims of my eyes are sore.

My nails, which seem to be growing at a manic rate,  in the sun, show lines where I’ve had my Tax treatments.

I’ve been having daily GCSF injections, (3 of 5 now) and I’m getting aches at the bottom of my spine.

I’m taking paracetamol and tramadol (combined in one tablet) so it’s being kept at bay.

Slight signs again of vaginal thrush.

And yes - perpetual fatigue, that lasts longer with every Tax session. Legs that feel OK when I’m sitting, but feel like a lead weight after about  15 steps.

 

Sorry to rant on - but I’m fed up with all of it.

I’m so glad I only have 2 to go.A fellow cancer sufferer here in Spain tells me she found round 4 the worst, so I’m clinging onto that.

But then I have an as yet untold number of daily radiotherapy sessions at a hospital which will involve a

2 1/2 hour long round trip.

As you know, I’m usually pretty upbeat and positive.

I’m finding that hard at the moment.

 

Don’t let my negativity get to you - I just needed to let it out.

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Beedot I just want to say that last Saturday I was exactly where you are now and feeling very apprehensive about the impending chemo that I was to have on the Monday.

You have prepared just like me…heel cream etc! And I can honestly say that 6 days on it has overall been okay and although I have had different symptoms this time, for me it has been no worse than Fec.

I have read in several places that round 4 is the hardest to take mentally (and I do believe that is half the battle). The waiting for it to happen is tough but this time next week you will have done it and there will only be 2 to go.

Jackie - it’s okay to rant. Sometimes you just have to say you are sick of this s**t.

Hugs to all x

Thanks for good wishes everyone. Positive vibes to Beedot and others Taxing next week.

12 days after Tax and SEs now are very sore red hands (palmar plantar apparently), nose bleeds, fatigue and continuing bad taste. Many of my eyelashes have gone now too. Although I am finding this much, much tougher than FEC, its clearly not the case for everyone so take heart Taxers. Also look how far we’ve all come. I hope everyone gets to enjoy the lovely sunshine this weekend - UK or Spain. I spoke to a friend’s SIL who had been through this regime and she said this is the low spot in the journey, hold on …so hold on January chemos, we are in this together!

Dear All
Been reading your Tax posts and I am not looking forward…
Had EC4 on Wed and it has floored me. Thought I knew what to expect by now but this one hit me - reallt struggled with tiredness and now nausea as well… as well as the usual steroid insomnia. Holding onto the fact it’s half way through and no more EC… so veins should start getting better!!
Any other tips on preparing for Tax? I’ve been told I will have herceptin and perjeta the first day, then return the following day for the Tax. Both days they’ve told me I will be in the unit for 6hrs so they can monitor any reactions so it’s going to be a long 2 days in the run up to Easter weeekend…
At least the sun is out here in London today!
Love to all.
Egg x

Happy mother’s day to all mums!
Hope all goes well tomorrow beedot. I too feel anxious and teary a few days before each treatment, and I think its especially so when switching treatments to something unknown and potentially horrid. I didn’t paint my nails - i knew about it but wasnt advised to, but mainly because I wanted to observe them! My toenails do hurt sometimes now after 4x Tax, a bit like my socks or shoes are on too tight, and I have white stripes across them for each treatment, but no discolouration or lifting…yet! My fingernails are the same but only one or two hurt.
Jackie, I think in some respects you have it harder than most of us, as we are all changing treatments halfway through and you are having the same for 6 sessions. Of Tax too! I completely empathise with your fatigue - I am falling asleep on the sofa after only a few hours of activity now and that’s after 4 sessions of Tax. Changing treatments I think breaks it up a bit - changing side effects and also makes us feel we’ve moved on a stage of treatment.
I’m having another MRI next week to asses my lump - fingers crossed for a reduction. Has anyone else had scans to monitor chemo effects?
We’re off for a 3 mile walk to a local nature reserve today for a picnic and a game of football in the sunshine. And then I’ll probably crash on the sofa for the rest of the day!!!

Happy mothers day Tax warriors. Hope you are all able to enjoy the day at least a little. I had mothers day last week with our easy set of children and grandchildren, and due to have lunch today with my other set. Except the 3 yrs old has chicken pox! Poor soul it looks awful.
We are having lunch here with out the grandchildren but with my son and daughter. I am 5 days post tax 1 and the bone aches are really getting to me. They are really sore. I seem to be able to ease them a little with painkillers but they are always there. I also have the sorethroat/ mouth. Hoping to at least enjoy myself today and sit out in sunshine like I did yesterday for a couple of hours.
Hope you can all do the same.
Love and Hugs
Mooneyxx. xx

Happy Mother’s Day all mums, and hope you all managed to enjoy the sunshine​ this weekend.

 

The September platoon have all deserted, unfortunately, except for Aine who like me pops up on other threads from time to time. I think for the others, their active treatment is now over, and they have returned to work etc. I am still having radiotherapy, and Occupational Health won’t let me go back to work until it is finished (mind you it would be difficult to work around the appointments they are giving me, which are a different time every day).

 

Nicky and Slowski have made a good point about Cycle 4 of chemotherapy being the most difficult to cope with mentally. By this stage many of us have already had a hard time, and there still seems to be a long way to go. If you are changing over from one combination of drugs to another, it adds to the anxiety because you don’t know how the new ones will affect you. Everybody reacts differently, so while some people will get off relatively lightly with SEs, others will get a lot more and will find it harder to cope. In extreme cases, where the effects are very severe, the drugs may have to be changed or the doses reduced.

 

Jackie - everyone is entitled to rant during chemotherapy, and this is one of the few places you can do it without anyone being offended or judging you. I’m sorry that I hadn’t​ appreciated you are on Tax throughout, which must be particularly tough. It is amazing how many permutations of chemotherapy there are. The skin and nail problems and sore eyes you mention sound familiar - Tax is much harder on the skin and nails than FEC. I had dry sensitive skin and pimples on my face, arms and legs, though I didn’t have sores. I also got conjunctivitis during the last cycle. My nails also went dry, ridged and discoloured. There seem to be two different approaches to caring for nails during chemotherapy. Some recommend using dark nail varnish to protect them and disguise the discolouration, others recommend conditioning with oils, creams or other products. I went for the second approach, and used Onicolife drops (not cheap and only available online from Live Better With) twice a day throughout chemotherapy, and for about six weeks after. A cheaper option is sweet almond oil or specialist nail products that contain it such as Dr Organic Tea Tree Antifungal Nail Solution, which is what I am using now. Although my nails still deteriorated, I didn’t lose any, and they are now getting better as the grotty bits grow out.

 

Nicky - your first Tax doesn’t seem to have been so bad, so hopefully the rest will be similar.

 

Slowski- sorry to hear you have palmar-plantar on top of everything else. I hope they have given you something for it. Useful information about this condition isn’t easy to find, but I came across the following (via Macmillan  website): cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/side-effects/hand-foot-syndrome-or-palmar-plantar-erythrodysesthesia I also hope you have got something for the sore mouth, which should be starting to get better soon. I had nose bleeds with Tax as well (and bleeding elsewhere!) but it does stop once chemotherapy finishes.

 

Egg - you’re having four cycles of each lot of drugs, which is particularly tough. You’re having the targeted therapy drugs and Tax on different days though, which you may find easier to cope with than having the lot all one one day like I did! The other reason why the next treatments will take ages, apart from the monitoring, is that the first doses of Herceptin and Perjeta are the ‘loading’ doses, which are double doses, so the infusions take longer. The final three treatments won’t take as long. Your veins won’t necessarily get better without help, as the damage is cumulative. You don’t say whether you have a PICC line. If you don’t (I didn’t), its important to get help if your veins are suffering and cannulation could be difficult next time. I got veinous phlebitis during Cycle 4, and the only thing that got me through the last two cycles was Heparinoid (Hirudoid) cream.  

 

Egg, Ebim, Beedot and Robin - you’re all  having your first Tax next week and will probably be very worried after reading the scouts’ posts. There are lots of possible SEs with Tax, but note the emphasis on the word ‘possible.’ You are unlikely to get all of them, most people only get two or three. The steroid insomnia mentioned by Egg could get worse the first few days, because of the higher doses, but it won’t last. Otherwise, the main SEs to watch out for are the bone and joint pains, which could get worse with Tax (try taking Paracetamol before the infusion), the awful sore mouth and taste changes, and the ‘Tax Trots’ (self-explanatory), both of which will probably start around Day 4 and last until about Day 11 or 12 if you are going to get them, and problems with your skin and nails. Any SE that causes severe pain or discomfort should be reported to sick bay.

Morning lovely ladies, thank you for your thoughts. I will report back. Good luck to anyone else going this week too.Beedot X

ps I love the idea of the September group running off gleefully, that will be us soon.