Hi - interesting discussion on Radio 4 this morning (can listen again if go to bbc4 website).
Jane Plant is talking about her diet of no red meat and no milk as especially important for cutting out oestrogens from our diet and this cured her from her cancer.
What do others think about this?
I have recently been diagnosed (6 weeks post mastectomy) read her book and am trying no milk diet only odd cup of milky coffee once a week so far but is early days…
Would be interested to hear about others who have followed this diet, or any other?
Didn’t hear it either. My point is, is there a cure? My med team won’t tell me if I have all clear and claim other authorities don’t now either! I know I will get contradictions to this as I have read them already on this site!
JP has been discredited in the past for her cranky, unproven ideas!
I just listened to the link…thanks Alison, hope you are recovering from your mastectomy. I was diagnosed with bone mets in 2003 and have got to know many women with mets over the years. I was surprised Jane Plant was told she probably had 2 months to live. The only women I know who have been given an approx 2 months prognosis are women who are experiencing severe liver or other major organ failure. From Jane Plant’s accounts she had regional recurrence not distant metastases so a 2 months prognosis is very surprising…to say the least.
I also can’t help thinking the cash strapped NHS would jump at the chance to save millions of pounds if all we had to do to get better was to follow the Jane Plant diet.
Personally I do not think the word “cured” is appropriate - even after 17 years I still considered I was in remission and it came back this April. I fail to see why milk is to be avoided. Milk is considered to be the perfect food for newborn babies. I will continue my healthy diet with the odd indulgence to show I am human and continue to eat low fat yoghurt and have the odd glass of white wine. Not sure how many extra years following the Jane Plant diet will give me over a healthy diet but for me life is for living and quality is important for me.
Well they also said that everything and nothing is bad for you. Do what you feel comfortable with Me - no family history, always have been slim and active, blame it on not having children? So never breast feeding or not? Alcohol - yes - in moderation by my lights. If as they say 1 in 10 of us get it then where do you go?
Do whatever does it for you.
Cheers, and I love milk! Right Olivia. I am with you. Go for the quality.
Yes, agree life is for living!
Surgeon recommended I enjoy Italian Ice cream…
Apparently cows milk is full of hormones?
I also have the odd glass of red wine…
That word ‘cured’ is certainly contentious and I have heard it used by professionals in many different ways relating to my breast cancer - ie no cure cos I have bony mets, high chance of cure cos am oestrogen positive…
Alison me too…bone mets and er+. I was diagnosed stage 4 from the beginning, 2003.
I keep well, most people don’t know I’m ill let alone stage 4 ill. I eat a normal varied diet and hormonal treatment with bisphosphonates have worked well for me…my cancer hasn’t progressed at all since Spring 2005 when I started Arimidex and before this was kept stable with Tamoxifen. I was told to walk, swim, keep active and to make sure I had plenty of dairy in my diet. I know Arimidex won’t work forever but I’m enjoying life at the moment, just having a normal diet, the same as everyone else. I wish you all the very best with your treatments.
I think Jane Plant also mentioned IGF-1 (growth factor in milk) during the radio conversation but this is not found in milk in the UK or the EU.
Someone gave the second of JP’s books on the subject and the diet is bloomin complicated. I am not sure it is worth the effort when not proven. I don’t mind following some of the principles but it is too much like hard work. I am taking Tamoxifen and will hope for the best.
I listen to the programme and I am currently reading JPs book.
I felt the radio programme to of little use, a tennis match of prof’s trying to score off each others theories and I mean theories.
I am one of these people who will give anything a go. I am restricting my milk intake, luckily I have lost the taste for wine so I have only had one glass in 8 weeks.
I quite enjoy eating fruit and veg so there is no hardship in increasing that intake. I have cut out red meats and love fish.
I don’t know if I am doing any good and I don’t know if I am doing any harm, I intend to live life to the full and not live dying.
acdcacdc - I agree the book is blooming hard going and its not that I am poorly educated just your average jo trying to make head or tail of the acronyms!
Lets not get hung up on all this stuff, just ‘Live for the day’ (Dead Poets Society)
Hi All, i am with the non-believers on this one, i have never taken the pill, breastfed 3 children for at least 11 months per child, drink in moderation, smoke a few fags a day (my bc was not connected to smoking in any way or form) always had a very good diet, and always taken moderate excercise, so really, i think its just a lottery
I read Janes book a couple of years ago - and the mention of cattle being injected with hormones ( to produce extra milk)horrified me - however have since been told - don’t know how accurate it is that in the UK this does not take place. I have however got the whole family into organic milk - no difference in taste - do think there is a link with chemicals in food and increases in BC. I used to think this was rubbish - the usual, used processed foods etc. I now make everything from scratch and would buy everything organic if I could afford to. Who knows - may get run over by a bus - but it makes me feel I’m doing something!!
Hi Lynne you’re right it doesn’t take place in the UK or the EU. I understand it’s a practice used in the US.
I’ve always had organic dairy, meat and veg but I’m lucky where I live there are several farm shops so it’s not so expensive.
My personal view is to be very cautious about accepting Jane Plant’s views word hook, line and sinker. She is a geologist, not a medical doctor, for a start. And as for being “cured”- my prognosis is apparently extremely good however neither my specialist nor my oncologist will describe me as being cured.I asked the question, does that mean it has gone, never to return and both siad they are unable to tell me that. They speak solely of “N.E.D”- no evidence of disease. Jane plant did n’t rely solely on her diet to bring about an upturn in her prognosis. She had chemo, rads, the full service like most of us here. I also followed a very good diet as I have always done. I have never needed to spend a lot of money on someone’s book to know what to eat and what to avoid. That would be my advice to anyone. Avoid the diet book business like the plague. The main benefit of these things is to put money in the pocket of theire authors.