Yep, think we agree.
Hi Nas all I can say is be very careful & do alot of research yourself to get questions answered re apricot kernals ! there is alot of stuff & info out there regarding these alot of the medical proffession will not say much to this only that they have cyonide in them, a friend of mine took these & an NHS nurse adviced her to only take one a day ?? which went against what someone else told her so you really need to get proffessional advice regarding them. The Essiac tea personally I was impressed what I read up on this but then have been on alot of the immune boosting suppliments that there are its really down to personal choice & what fits with your lifestyle.
Its a shame when I come on here & things have got a bit heated & out of context again. So Im going to give it my 2 pennith worth
THERE IS NO CURE TO CANCER … FACT END OF !
Chemotherapy radiotherapy hormone therapy THEY TOO ARE NOT CURES if they were you’d have your treatment & all would be fine & dandy that would be the end of it & you’d be on your way to get on with life cancer free YES they kill cancer cells & maybe for a time keep it at bay
THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS CANCER AWAY OR A PERSON FROM EVER GETTING CANCER IN THE FIRST PLACE Is having an immune system that does its job properly ’ DESTROYING - ATTACKING Cancer cells as they try to divide our bodies are doing this from the moment we are born. There are many factors to WHY someone develops cancer FACT ! nobody will ever really know the MAIN reasons for this.
So how I see it with all ive learnt not just since diag but over the years, all anyone can do is do the best they can for themselves, what might keep someone fit & healthy may not work for another. There is alot of conflicting information out there BUT its down to each as to read the lastest reports studies IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THEN READ IT … IF YA DON’T >> THEN LEAVE IT. We are all in this S*TTY BOAT together, I see no problem with anyone posting a link of research into diet & cancer << THATS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD I read them all Im a GROWN UP & can come to my own conclusions on what I make of all the links posted
I am doing what I feel is best for myself ive taken out of my diet all what I class as ‘plastic’ artificial foods & added alot more natural fresh organic foods that id never eaten before…getting regular excersice… doing my best to keep myself grounded & happy as possible IS IT GOING TO KEEP MY CANCER AT BAY ? who knows what I do know is physically its the best I have felt in years so something I am doing is benefitting me somewhare along the line.
Finty & Elinda I think you girls do a great job on this thread I do not see it as misleading in any way & if its only an interesting read or just food for thought then it is only in the best interests of those who ARE interested.
Keep up the good work
Mekala 
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Really glad we have this thread too Mekalar - we are bound to disagree - the so called “experts” do as well!!! But so useful, as you say, to have others prompting me to be aware of issues and ideas - as you say, in the end we all have to make our own decisions and I’m glad you feel positive with your choices. I’m about to have a glass of wheatgrass - again, who knows if it will help me but I have decided it won’t hurt me and feels right for me (reminds me of the Swiss alpine meadows that I love!)and my immunity seems to be strengthening generallly…
Hi Francis Im off the wheatgrass for now as im on another type for now Yes it sure reminds me of something green the wheatgrass, think the 1st time I tried it the aroma of rabbits hutch came to mind lol !
Strangly enough my 4 kids & hubby have had nasty colds, infections & bugs TOUCH WOOD ive stayed free from it all where id normally pick these things up usually one of the 1st … OH been quite poorly with his crohn’s desease & the other day he said to me he wants to start doing & using the things I am using as he said Im the one that looks & seems to be the healthiest lately. Ive also found that getting plenty of sleep is a bonus especially as im having disturbed nights with the dreaded night sweats & the hot flushes during the day … Ive never known anything like it I was convinced the other day I was going to humanly combust LOL the heat that builds up from the inside & takes over the whole body can be quite debilitating, Im sure if I wasn’t eating as well as I do & sleeping well Id be so washed out & fitigued concidering im not even 2 weeks post rads, ok im not over doing things or swinging from the light fittings but I am for now coping with the physical demands of each day, with 3 teens & one 20 yr old, 2 that have severe autism
Your right we have to just do what we can & what we feel is giving us some benefit, if anything it helps us to cope better with the bad days im sure we all have more of those than we would like
Hugs
Mekala x
Thanks Mekala
I don’t think there’s been any dispute on this thread - not recently anyway! Perhaps a bit on another thread but that’s okay. Nearly all research that is posted seems to trigger debate, often heated. Elinda x
Oh something I meant to ask you Elinda the raspberry extract you was talking about did you mean raspbery leaf extract by any chance ?
Thank you Francesw and Mekalar for your comments. I googled it and there are sooo many things to read about so I`ll get to it!:)) going to be a long time reading :0
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Hi All,
Im not sure why some of you become so defensive when anyone else posts a different view or research, balanced debates on any issue is a must, where would we all be if people didnt allow exchange of views or different research in any walk of life ? we would all be quite merrily going along believing everthing that we read or are told and oblivious to anything else that may be of importance.
We are all in this together,all searching for answers, all trying to find ways to help ourselves get through this bloody crap,i dont see the need to get upset or for debates on any issues to get heated, maybe acknowledging that none of us here are experts and all we are all realy trying to do is find our way though all this bloody crap ,maybe then it would stop this atmosphere of animosity which seems to exsist on here.
Mekalar,its realy not about “IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THEN READ IT IF YA DON’T >> THEN LEAVE IT” others might well say the same ,its about the right for any individual in any walk of life to express a different view and being able to do that without being made to feel they are insignificant or uneducated or wrong.
The majority on this forum dont have a problem with allowing differences,differences should be welcomed surely , why is this thread so different?
Please remember ladies this is an open forum not private exchanges of views in an individuals front room,and as such anyone looking for information on here should be able to find it so that they can make their own decisions on what is right for them, i certainly dont have a problem with that and quite honestly neither should you.
Just because people dont always agree with us is no excuse to be unfairly critical ,exclude or silence them.
Sorry for intrudeing on your thread.
Thankyou mekalar, I whole heartedly agree with you about having a healthy immune system that keeps us free from disease. Ultimately thats what we all want to achieve and how we do it is a matter of choice. Some put their health in the hands of the medical profession, others choose different routes and we all have to find our own way. Some methods are not ‘scientifically proven’ and this seems to upset a lot of people on this site. It seems to me that research and statistics can be interpreted in many ways and nothing is clear cut.
I love this thread and people can take out of it what they need or want and perhaps ponder over other parts of it.
Thanks to finty and elinda
Come on ladies, lets not make underhand comments or get stroppy. I think the problem is that when we enter into a debate it can sometimes come across as though we are correcting others, and this gives the impression of arrogance/superiority when that was not the intention. The trouble is that once these misunderstandings happen, debate degenerates into argument.
We are all in this together, and we have to recognise that forums are not ideal for communication.
Please may I make one point, because it does worry me when people seem to think that abandoning conventional medicine and chosing an alternative route is just another lifestyle choice, and up to the individual. My Brother died of liver cancer in april 2010, and doctors agreed that if he had accepted conventional treatment when he was first diagnosed, rather than opting for the herbal medicine, his survival would have been more than three months (he was diagnosed in January 2010). This has caused enormous anguish amongst our family (particularly as his wife is a pharmacist, and knows about this stuff), so what a person decides isn’t just a matter for them, since it impacts on their loved ones.
I know some say that the individual has to make their own decision, and it’s up to them, but if they were standing beside someone about to throw themseves off a cliff, or in front of a train, would they say it’s your choice?.
Lemongrove I don’t think anyone here is suggesting anyone should abandon conventional medicine - as far as I know everyone that posts on this thread has had the maximum treatment available. What we are trying to do is find out what additional (complementary not alternative) changes we can make to help our prognoses. For instance, I have spent quite a lot of time recently finding out if certain foods improve the efficacy of Tamoxifen - there is evidence that some do, so now I eat them every day.
I think your comment might lead new people reading this to believe this thread is a hotbed of alternative therapy - nothing could be further from the truth.
Finty - would you mind summarising which foods increase the efficacy of Tamoxifen with maybe links to the research if you have them. I HATE the SEs of this drug but am so glad it’s available to those of us who benefit from taking it. So if I have to take it, I’d do anything I can to help it work better. Thanks!
Finty, I was reacting to the comment made by Leadie, who said "Ultimately thats what we all want to achieve and how we do it is a matter of choice. Some put their health in the hands of the medical profession, others choose different routes and we all have to find our own way. Some methods are not ‘scientifically proven’ and this seems to upset a lot of people on this site. It seems to me that research and statistics can be interpreted in many ways and nothing is clear cut ".
I hope I have misinterpreted what he/she said, but I thought the point was worth making. I’m also glad, since you have made clear that this thread has no truck with those who want to abandon the othrodox route.
This is an interesting study given the many discussions about Asian diets and breast cancer. Many who do not support the idea that diet and lifestyle influence cancer risk suggest the reason that Asian women have such historically low cancer rates is due to some genetic protection, or environmental factors such as pollution.
ishib.org/journal/21-2/ethn-21-02-196.pdf
The above study looked at young Asian-American women born in California - predominantly Japanese, Chinese and Philippino - and found they actually had significantly HIGHER rates of breast cancer than non Asian-American women.
Here is a condensed summary of the findings:
I suppose the study could be wrong or an outlier - but the differences in cancer rates are very high (around 60% higher for the Asian women) which would tend to suggest the effect is real.
finty x
Just to concur with Finty, this thread is not about abandoning conventional treatment in lieu of alternative therapies or diets. This is about improving diet or looking at the research on diet (even if we don’t necessarily follow it) but always in addition to our usual treatments of surgery, rads, chemo, tamoxifen, AIs etc.
I think this thread is important because sometimes women come on here having heard about potential ‘cures’ or ‘remedies’ that have no evidence base and may have come from unscrupulous websites etc. Because they aren’t jumped upon and belittled, they feel they can ask. We can then discuss and inform them, for example, that not only is there no evidence but that the thing they’ve seen advertised might be dangerous etc
Elinda x
Finty - interesting research, thank you.
Elinda and Finty, , don’t get me wrongI think the thread is informative / great, and have no problem with complimentary medicine (in fact I am trying to cut back on sugar and milk etc, and have learned meditation, go for healing etc). My problem is that I get slightly anxious when I read comments that seem to imply that that abandoning conventional medicine and going the alternative route is just another lifestyle choice which we should all be free to make.
As I said earlier, we wouldn’t stand by and watch someone commit suicide if we could prevent it.
Lilac - so far I have found this research which looks promising:
Pomegranate -
biomedsearch.com/nih/Pomegranate-sensitizes-Tamoxifen-action-in/21706446.html
Flaxseed -
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.200900068/abstract
Blueberries -
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21056131
Or go here for a summary of many other foods, scroll right to the bottom of the page for the research links.
finty x
Lemongrove - It is a choice as we can’t force healthcare on people (except in some special circumstances) BUT when people refuse conventional treatment it is usually not a well-informed choice. Also there is a huge fear about conventional cancer treatments - quite understandably. That’s why this forum is so great, because so many of us have been through the treatments or are going through them and can support others. Elinda xx