HELP

i found out thursday 17th nov following test at breast clinic on tuesday that a lump i found was cancerous. i am having operation on 30th nov. told lumpectamy. i asked about mastectamy and was told its my decision and to have think first. my first reaction was to have breast off. but now having tried to read and research i just don’'t what it best thing for me. they have said same results with lumpectamy and radiotherapy. i have done nothing but read the booklets on this site, reading threads about absolutely everything.
some people may think this is drastic and they may not have had a choice in the matter. i am constant worrier about everything under the sun, and feel like having my breast off would re-assure me more.

i was in with doctor which seemed no time at all when she told me results, then i went and had talk with BCN for short while. she told me to go away and let it sink in and gave me a pack with some booklets in from this site. she had arranged to come and see me in the morning at home 9.30,but now i have go appointment through for pre-op in morning. so i am seeing her first at hospita at 9.00l before my pre-op and 10.15.

spoke to her on phone this morning to agree this new arrangement, and just felt like she was rushing me on the phone, as if she was trying to get off the phone. i have felt a bit like this on thursday when i spoke to her. when i came off phone, (mobile) before i even said anything my husband who could her conversation with me, said she always sounds as if she wants to rush off! i don’t know if its how she speaks, cos she does talk really fast. my husband she even talks over me on ocassion.

i feel so vulnerable and a lost what to do. i said would speaking to her for an hour be long enough, she said it was normally for patients. i asked if i would be seeing the doctor again before my op, she said no unless i felt i needed to (felt as if i wasn’t normal asking about these things wanting to speak to more people about it all).

she said she would speak with me again later if i felt i needed to after tomorrow. there is another BCN but i haven’t been introducer to her. i asked if i was able to speak to the other one as well if i was unable to get hold of her (she me her card last week with contact numbers and she seems hard to get hold of).

i don’t know whether to ring macmillan helpline or this helpline or what. i don’t think i like this BCN, i feel like just another number.

any comments/support/advice would be appreciated. i am 39 and cant believe i am having to deal with this. my husband is best in the world so that is good. i havent been to work since last week since tests, i have told boss will be off a while with op but thats it, nobody at work knows anything i have said i don’t want them knowing at present. my mum and dad know, but thats it.

please help. from sheffield/barnsley area btw.

Hi tommyticklemouse,

Do give the helpline here a ring and have a chat with them, there’s absolutely no rush, you can talk and ask as many questions as you wish, nothing is too small, they’re here to support you. The helpline is open now, calls are free 0808 800 6000.

Take care.
Jo, Facilitator

hi tommyticklemouse

sorry that you’ve had to find yourself on here, i have found this site fantastic support, ask a question and you will have lots of people answering you.
i haven’t personally used the helpline, but i never felt i was rushed at all by BCN, she took all the time i needed and went through all my options, this is a massive thing for you to have to decide on so if you feel you need to see consultant again do it. And definately give the helpine a ring, i’m sure they’ll reassure you

Good luck, sometimes its easier when you don’t have a choice, but you need to be sure you make the right choice for you

Gill x

Hi Tommyticklemouse
I’m from Barnsley too but having my treatment in Sheffield,all BC nurses and surgeon were excellent, i’ve had WLE (lumpectomy) with mammoplasty, started tamoxifen and i am on week 4 of 5 radiotherapy sessions. I also read loads before making my decision but in the end i decided to take the experts advise and after speaking and listening to my surgeon who insisted that there was no need for mastectomy that lumpectomy and radiotherapy would have same effect, i decided to go for the WLE and rads. It’s very difficult and only you can make the decision. Where are you been treated Barnsley or Sheffield??
I wish you all the very best in making your decision.
Heather x

hi, ventura 29/heather.

thank you so much for your reply. i am going to talk to BCN tomorrow about it again. help line on this site suggested to ask BCN to arrange for me to speak to some other ladies who might have same experience. i mentioned it to her on phone this morning, she said she could arrange this but wasn’t sure it would help me or not.

i am currently down to have my op and treatment at barnsley. so far they have been really quick with things. they have said that they try get things arranged in the quick timescales. like results from referral clinic taking 2 days instead of week which is what allowed and some hospitals take.

anyway i don’t know if going to barnsley is good move or not. i think some treatment maybe at sheffield though, radiotherapy i think but not sure. they have said some colleages from the team come from sheffield not sure who these are yet. why did you go to sheffield?

when did you starting taking tamoxifen, is it for 5 years. have you had any problems with it.

It’s a long story why i went to Sheffield but the main reason was that my sister had breast cancer and a bad surgeon 6/7 years ago and i had lost all convidence in the hospital ( the surgeon is no longer there by the way!) I started taking Tamoxifen 2 months ago i’m having few hot sweats day and night and achey legs but i bought a chillow pillow off internet and that is great cools me right down!
Dont know if this will help but my tumour was small 8mm on ultrasound but 12mm when removed, low grade 1 and no lymph node involvment, they got clear margins at op so no further surgery and started my rads 3 weeks ago.

yes i know about the dodgy surgeon story!. one now is supposed to be very good, apparantly she is supposed to be one of best in region for reconstruction surgery, but that isn’t sumat i would be considering i don’t think anyway.

did they check lymph node involvement while you were being initially tested for a lump with the ultra sound do you know to start with.

what was surgery like, how long was you in for and how has it been post surgery. any tips. i know i need pj’s or sumat with buttons down front?!

do you mind if i ask how old you are. does these tablets make you go into menepause?

sorry for so may questions

thanks x

Hi TTM,

So sorry that you have had to join us here. I was in a similar situation as you re given the option of a mastectomy, but that was only after my WLE and SNB, I’m 39 as well so I know what it’s like to be diagnosed at this age.

My diagnosis originally was a 20mm grade 2 invasive ductal carcinoma, ER and PR+, HER2- and node negative. I had the tumour taken out and at my follow-up appointment my surgeon told me the lump was bigger than originally thought at 34mm, and because of that I would need chemo as well as radiation, but that I also had the option of a mastectomy (mx) to possibly avoid rads and it was my decision to make. That absolutely blew me away as originally I was told WLE, SNB and six weeks of rads plus five years of tamoxifen!

I didn’t really take in what the surgeon said at that appointment so I spoke to my BCN and she arranged another meeting with her and I took a friend along that time to take notes and she explained things better and put my mind at ease. Since then I’ve come to New Zealand (my home country) for my chemo treatment and I’ve seen the top breast cancer surgeon here at a private appointment, and she’s also explained more to me about my diagnosis and how that suggested the mx option. I’m right on the edge as far as age, size of the lump and it’s location, I had really close margins with extensive lymphovascular invasion and pre-cancerous cells in the area as well, so all these things combined add up to slightly higer risk of recurrance apparently.

I was really against further surgery until I saw the surgeon here in Auckland, but after seeing some examples of her reconstructions I’m feeling like I’ll go with that option now as my risk of recurrance will be a lot lower, she said 2%, and I’ll get a new breast out of it to replace my rather ugly post-WLE boob!

It is a very personal decision, and you will have to weigh up the options based on what your surgeon, oncologist and radiation oncologist tell you based on your own diagnosis - we are all different in what is specifically happening to us, but whatever you decide you will have our support and the resources of this site to help you through it all.

I started writing this reply a while ago and see you have posted since with questions. Is it a WLE (lumpectomy) you’re having? If it is, this is what I had and I found it to be a lot less horrible than I was expecting. Mine was done as day surgery and I was up and about very quickly after coming round and going to the ward to recover. I only had pain when I came round from the anesthetic, they asked me how bad it was on a scale of one to ten, I said seven so they gave me three pumps of morphine and after that I only had a tiny bit of discomfort.

Even though it’s a day surgery you should take an overnight bag with pjs that do up at the front, and preferably that you don’t have to put over your head as you will have restricted movement of the arm on your affected boob side. You should only have to stay in if your surgery is done late afternoon as they don’t usually discharge after about 8pm I think, and they always want you to go home with someone as well. Take a book, magazines, iPad, iPod with you as well as there is always a bit of waiting around to do on the day.

Post-op you will need to start doing exercises that your BCN or ward nurse will give you (it’s a booklet and dvd supplied by the good folks here at BCC) pretty much straight away, you should also keep taking whatever pain meds you are given as they will help in your recovery. I was pretty much back to normal the day after, and didn’t feel any sickness from the anasthetic.

Re your lymph node question, I had my lymph nodes checked at the same time as my ultrasound scan after the mammogram. They also took a biopsy of my lump but not of the lymph nodes. In my case they did a sentinal node biopsy at the same time as the lumpectomy, which is when they take just those nodes that are linked to the breast lump and send them off for checking, if they are found to have any cancer cells they will go back in for a full clearance I think. They locate the sentinal nodes by giving you a pre-op injection in your affected boob of radioactive tracer, and also injecting blue dye either before or during the op. The tracer injection is just a tiny scratch (mine was painless as the doctor giving the injection was rather lovely to look at! :-)) and the blue dye will probably leave your boob with a blue stain on the skin for a while after (mine still has a blue patch on it and I’m now two months post-op).

Re your question about tablets, if your lump is responsive to hormones (oestrogen and progesterone I think they are) they are referred to as ER and PR positive, and these cancers can be treated by hormone therapies, the most common you will see is Tamoxifen and that is what you take for five years, and in most ladies it will force you into menopause. This will impact on fertility, so you should speak to your surgeon and BCN about a referal to a fertility clinic if you think you want to harvest eggs for future IVF treatment. I was given this option but didn’t go ahead with it as I will be 45 by the time the Tamoxifen finishes. The fertility thing is an extra added shock on top of everything else for those of our age, I think I was more upset about that than the cancer in the early days after my diagnosis because I don’t have children and desperately wanted them, but in the end I just wanted to get my treatment underway so have pushed that to the side for now.

One thing I would say is if you can take someone with you to your appointments this is a good idea as it is such a lot to take in and your brain gets overloaded, a second pair of ears makes sure you have all the information but also don’t be afraid to call your BCN and ask questions or ask for another meeting with your surgeon. You can also ring the BCC helpline (Jo posted the number in an earlier post) and they can answer questions or just listen if you need to offload emotionally.

Good luck for your op on the 30th and keep asking questions here if you need to.

All the best,

Tracey

Hiya TTM sorry you have to join us on here the early days are awful but you are doing the right thing reading all the research to help you make the right decision, don’t google though keep to the BCC info. Your experience of BCNurse is the same as mine I’m afraid they always seemed too busy and I always thought that they were hurrying me to move on to the next one, but they always ended with “we are always here if you need to speak” yeah right! but I know there are really good ones out there, I eventually did manage to talk to a nice one thankfully. Use the helpline service I found that really helpful. The choice about which op is totally yours I was given same choice and opted for lumpectomy and had lymph glands taken felt the right choice for me, due to start on RADS and Tamoxifen. Process so far has been ok, bad days good days, but on bad days this site is my lifeline, you will link with lots of ‘virtual friends’ who will support you through this process so stay in touch with us don’t do it on your own x

Ventura
how are your RADS going? I go for my CT scan and tattoos tomorrow so at least things are moving now. Haven’t started my tamoxifen yet did you start them before RADS. Also another question, sorry! where did you get the chillow pillow from, think I may get one just incase because I have heard that the flushes can be horrid especially at night time
thanks x

Hi sunflower16
The rads are going ok i’m getting a little red and sore/itching top of chest in middle, just under my arm and under my breast have been given hydrocortisone cream to use x2 a day as well as the aqueous cream but not bad really been a little tired this week but as others have said think its also due to travelling every day for treatment. The chillow i got off internet just google chillow but go to the proper chillow site mine cost me £32 for the chillow plus (this one you use both sides of pillow) and i also bought a mini one for when i go back to work ( the mini one was £19.95). They are deff worth every penny! Tamoxifen i started as soon as i saw ongologist before rads planning and once id had the planning meeting it was 3 days to my first appointment so it moved pretty quick. Good luck for tomorrow hope all goes well. Heather x

TTM i’m 52!

hi everyone,

introduced to other BCN this morn. mentioned the whole feeling rushed thing with the other one, and i am now under this other BCN. she seemed nice and took things slow with me. she said not worry about other BCN and feeling bad or anything and that everything was fine with new arrangement. i hope this will be better.

think i am seeing her again thursday for further talk about my decision to see if have reached a decision. she says i don’t have to decide by thursday, but thought the sooner i had, i could then prepare properly.
she said i could decide on the actually morning! need to get it sorted in my head before then.

hi sunflower thanks for you message.

feel a bit better about the BCN situation. hopefully you will have seen my update on that.

still thinking on the op situation hoping to come to decision soon, its so hard.

its good to have all these messages with support and information thank you so much. would be nice to keep in touch.

xx

hiya Ms tickle :slight_smile:
glad you sorted out the bcn I felt guilty about changing mine in fact after the op I told staff not to let her come and see me so they sent another bcn who as I said was absolutely lovely and made me feel so good about myself and the situation instead of the other one who made me feel so depressed! I was alway ok until I spoke to her the irony of that!

So hopefully your talk will be a lot calmer and you will feel at ease and able to reach a decision that is good for you x

hi sunflower, had 2 sessions with new BCN and so far and she has been lot better. she seems to take things a lot slower and not rush me, and she goes at the pace i am happy with. she has also brought up things for me to think about, which the other one may have done, but i am not sure she rushed through that much - anyway this one seems better for me so far. i suppose you can’t gel with everyone.

thanks for your message and support, take care.
x

you are very welcome pleased it helped, what would we do without this site hey??? the support on here is amazing we are lucky to have IT at our fingertips it’s not that long ago that this website wouldn’t have been here. There would have been so many women out there with no one to ‘talk’ to, I am so pleased we have it, this site pulls me through the day when I feel a bit down I jump on for support and always get it.
Good luck with your new bcnurse x