October 2016 starters

I’ll be with you in spirit Swampy, because it’s my last T tomorrow so we will probably be having it at the same time (message edited to break it up by bullet points and paragraphs, I can do this on the PC but not on the so-called ‘smart’ phone).

 

Hope you’ve remembered to take your steroids today! I find the best way to make sure I don’t forget is to write it on the calendar, and stick a brightly coloured post-it note with ‘STEROIDS!’ written on it on the bedside table next to the alarm clock.

 

Re: SEs, as this is your first infusion of T they should be monitoring you while you have it to make sure you don’t have an adverse reaction (a reaction is rare, so don’t worry, it is just a precaution). You’re unlikely to have nausea or sickness with T, but the main things to watch out for are:

 

  • Aches and pains in your joints - they may give you Paracetamol in the hospital before the infusion to help control this and may advise you to keep taking them over the next couple of days, but if this isn’t enough, go back to your nurse or to your GP and ask for something stronger;
  • Hot flushes - likely to be short-term effect only for the first couple of days, this is apparently caused by the steroids reacting with the T;
  • The ‘Tax Trots’ - have some Immodium and sensitive moist toilet wipes in stock just incase;
  • Sore mouth and throat and changes to your appetite and taste - not much you can do about the taste changes, but they should give you something for the sore mouth (e.g. Difflam - also available from chemists) to prevent ulcers and oral thrush (e.g. Fluconazole - only available on prescription from the hospital or your GP), otherwise, have some Bonjela in stock just incase, and keep rinsing your mouth with saline (you can make this up yourself, heat half a teaspoon of salt in a pint of water);
  • More fatigue / chemo brain - not much you can do about this either except rest when you must, and try to do gentle exercise when you feel up to it without overdoing it - although it will be hard going at first, if you make the effort to go out for a walk or exercise at home, you will feel better afterwards;
  • Effects on your skin and nails - you may find your skin dries out and/ or becomes more sensitive and that your nails become dry, brittle and discoloured, so if you’re not already plastering moisturiser all over your skin and conditioning your nails (using suitable oils or hand and nail creams), I suggest you start now, ideally using products suitable for sensitive skin; and
  • Peripheral neuropathy (effects on the nerves in your fingers and toes) - if you feel pins and needles or numbness in your fingers and toes following the infusion, it is important to tell the nurse, because if nothing is done there is a risk of permanent nerve damage.

 

Don’t worry about the long list of SEs because you are unlikely to get all of them. Most of the ones you do get will be temporary (albeit not very pleasant while they last ?) so you should find they will wear off by the middle of the cycle - meaning that they should not spoil your Christmas! ???

 

Hugs to you and others facing their first T before Christmas. Hope this helps, and try not to worry, it is unlikely to be as bad as you fear, and if you prepare as best you can, you will be able to cope.

Hi Sel84 and sorry for not responding to your post yesterday (have had problems with internet connection). It’s surprising they gave you vitamin tablets without explaining why, though from what you say it looks like you have been given multi-vitamin tablets in case you aren’t getting enough from your food.

 

Otherwise you seem to have had the same advice as me, i.e. try to eat a healthy, balanced diet with plenty of fresh fruit and veg. The only other advice I had was to avoid potentially risky foods (e.g. shellfish, unpasteurised dairy foods, ‘live’ yoghourt) during the middle week of the cycle when you are more vulnerable to infection. Macmillan have also produced guidance on healthy eating and cancer, which you may find useful - here is a link:

macmillan.org.uk/information-and-support/breast-cancer/coping/maintaining-a-healthy-lifestyle/healthy-eating/how-to-maintain-a-healthy-diet.html

 

Research has also shown there is a link between bowel cancer and eating too much processed meat (e.g. bacon, ham, sausages) and possibly also from eating too much red meat - see:

nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/red-meat.aspx

scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/

While I’ve not seen any evidence of a link with BC, a healthy balanced diet means limiting the amount of these meats if not cutting them out of your diet completely. That doesn’t mean you can’t eat the rest of your Sunday roast today, as long as you put it in the fridge as soon as it cooled off to prevent any bugs, and as long as you don’t have roast pork, beef and lamb too often. Not much danger of too much red meat though, given the cost of joints these days - we usually have a chicken or some other dish with chicken or turkey on a Sunday, but yesterday we had roast beef for the first time in ages, and there’s no way we are going to chuck the left overs in the bin!

 

However, eating a balanced diet could be a challenge if you get a sore mouth and throat and if your appetite/ taste changes, which are much more likely to be an issue with T (Docetaxel), than with FEC. In my experience (having had 2 cycles of T), these effects are usually temporary and probably won’t last more than a week (unless they develop into something worse such as ulcers or oral thrush), but they will limit what you can eat while you are affected. For example, you may not be able to eat acidic or spicy food if your mouth is sore, you may only be able to eat ‘soft’ foods for a while if you have trouble swallowing, or you may go off certain foods. That may be the thinking behind the vitamin supplements.

 

Hope this is helpful re: diet, and don’t despair if you are affected by the SEs I mentioned. They shouldn’t last too long, provided you get some appropriate medication if you get a sore mouth, so it doesn’t develop into anything worse. For example, you can make up some saline mouth wash (heat up half a teaspoon of salt in a pint of water) and use Bonjela and cough sweets, or Difflam (available from chemists - correction) to relieve the soreness and prevent ulcers, and take Fluconazole (only available on prescription) to prevent oral thrush.

Sorry to hear about your bald patch Angie. If you are lucky, you may find it starts growing back a bit on the T, but it can go either way, so you could lose more (I was warned about this). At least you’ve got a ‘head start’ having kept most of it using the cold cap (if you’ll pardon the pun!). If you don’t like wearing the wig, a hairpiece might be an option while waiting for it to grow. My hair seems to be growing back now on my head as well as on my legs, although it is still very sparse and is early days. I never lost it entirely despite not cold capping but it is very thin. I have also kept some of my eyebrows and eyelashes up.to now, and am hopeful they will manage to stick around through the final cycle. I am using L’Oreal Brow Artist to fill the eyebrows out, which works well and is surprisingly easy to apply. It is a kit costing £10.00 which contains wax, powder, an applicator brush and some tweezers. If a ham-fisted person like me can manage it, anyone can. I should also warn people that T chemo is only quicker if you’re not having Herceptin on the same day. I understand some hospitals, including yours, give them on different days. But if you’re having them in one go, the first time will take ages because they have to monitor you for adverse reaction after each infusion. The first time I had Herceptin, followed by Perjeta, followed by Taxotere all on the same day, so as you can imagine this took all day because of the need for monitoring! The last two cycles I am having the T first, followed by the targeted biological treatments.

Hi All,

 

Well I’m now on Day 13 of my first T cycle and I have to agree about the psychological low. On paper, I’ve had less side effects than with the FEC but for some reason feel worse!  It’s mainly fatigue and apathy (after I weathered the bone pain from the Filgrastim injections), plus one random nosebleed (have had that on all cycles) and one episode of diarrhoea - but the taste disturbance and lack of motivation to do anything has really got to me this time. I feel I hate the T compared to the FEC but for no good reason…I just don’t feel like me… By Day 10 of FEC usually my energy was returning but this time it is much slower…

 

In case this sounds too depressing for those of you about to have T1, I should add that on the plus side, as yet I’ve had no mouth issues at all (thank you dentist for suggesting Corsodyl toothpaste), no nail problems (but I guess early days), no problems with my scalp (still wearing my wig 6h each day), no peripheral neuropathy and my skin is still soft; though I am using industrial quantities of moisturisers for every possible location…

 

My next T is on 21st December, so Christmas will be a whirl of injections and bone pain.  Maybe my taste won’t have gone completely by the 25th - or is that wishful thinking???

 

Good luck everyone who will be infused just before Christmas. We will get through it and at least this forum is here 24/7 for us to  when we need support. Personally, I could not have got through without it…

 

Sue O XX

Hi all hope everyone’s doing ok,
I start my T chemo tomorrow so started taking the steroids this morning,well chemo brain is definitely apparent! Despite reading the box several times I only took 2! It should of been 4! Just wandering if it would be ok to take 6 this afternoon to make up for the missed 2 this morning? I dont want to mess up my chemo tomorrow by being an airhead! Xx

Hi Livvy.
I really would give your chemo unit a ring and check as they will give you the best advice.
Hope all goes as well as it can tomorrow.
Mine is next week on the 22nd. Bit apprehensive but the quicker it gets started the quicker it will be finished!
Big hugs,
Sue F xx

Hi everyone,

i think I must be one of the few staying on FEC and not going onto T.  Not sure why.  Got my 4th on the 20th, so am expecting to have a fuzzy Christmas.  Although I’m half way through too, I’m also feeling very lethargic, heavy and tired.  Not helping at all, by the fact that I have a cold at the moment too, am taking paracetamol on an as need basis and have  just recovered from another bout of cystitis - seems to occur as an se around day9/10 - mid cycle everytime.  Oncologist is going to give me antibiotics as part of my regular meds now.

seem to be focusing on the negatives at the moment and not the positives.  Sometimes it’s hard to do, even though there’s a lot of positives to think of too.

hope those starting on T that you find it easier to deal with than you’re anticipating.  Try and stay positive everyone - it will soon be Christmas???

Hi 7oanne,
My mouth has always been sensitive to mouthwash and most toothpastes. Since starting chemo I have used an alovera toothpaste from holland and barrett and salted boiled water as a mouth wash. I also found the floss was not clearing some areas at the back of my mouth properly and would cause a mouth flare up to start. My dentist recomended a rechargeable water pick . I have been filling it with the warm salted water. And it has Really made a difference and very quick to use also. You can get them in boots / amazon / or your dentist may sell them.
I have not found anything that’s helps much with the dry mouth.

Hope this helps
Love V x

Hi all

 

Well number 4 and first T done and dusted. I saw the oncologist before I went off for the chemo and he suggested that I start the painkillers four hourly rather than wait for any pain (if any) to kick in.  

He seemed to think my rubbish nights sleep for the past two nights is down to the steroids so wasn’t too concerned about that. But then he didn’t see me an hour later sitting having my chemo blubbering like an idiot and wondering what on earth was wrong with me!!

I had woken feeling nauseous and thought that even though it technically wasn’t necessary that I would take my last spare Emend tablet but as I was kept waiting for hour and ten minutes for my appointment and I didn’t have any water with me - he said not to take it and take metaclopromide instead - great I thought - that’s at home!!! But as it happened - i was given it during my chemo as a double dose and I thought the T regime was meant to be easier on the nausea! Still I had a half hour kip when I got home and feel slightly better now.

But I did ask if it was ok to take some Pro-biotic drinks for a few days as my guts feel all over the place and have not been right since I went the complete spectrum of constipation to the trots on the last chemo. He said it couldn’t do any harm. So I will try that and see if puts my tummy back into feeling normal. The flatulence, bloatedness and general discomfort and wondering what will happen when I go the loo has been mystifying me for the past week. So I’ll try anything to see if it will relieve it -may be once I get walking and exercising a little that will move things in a normal direction for once - I have been a real sofa sloth this week. But I did get out to the Christmas Markets last night with hubby, sister, bro-in-law, daughter, son in law and nephew and we all had a few treats plus a lovely mulled wine last night!! So that was fun - needed it too!!!:catvery-happy:

I hope everyone who is starting on the T regime will keep us up to date with how they feel. Just when you think you have side effects noted and managed - they move the goal posts and start us all off again on something new!!

Hugs!!

 

Hi everyone thanks for your replies,
Well ive taken the risk and took 6 ? I feel ok it said on the leaflet you can take upto 20mg daily daily so here’s hoping anyhow!
I so feel for everybody that’s having issues its a nightmare when you have side effects i can relate to most of them and they are not pleasant ! Especially you truey with the stomach issues its either one or the other and not knowing which its going to be isn’t helpful! I’m dreading the T tomorrow a i dont know what to expect surely it can’t get any worse! I’m actually sick of myself at the moment lol ,with what’s going to happen next! But i love Christmas and i won’t allow anything to spoil it.good luck everyone and i hope everything improves for those that are having hard time. We can all do this! Xx

Well done old dawn!? for getting everyone’s name right
Ive tried and failed miserably, so when I say hi everybody I mean everybody I read all your posts and think and sympathise with you all, keep strong everyone we can do this we are doing it albeit not plain sailing for any of us for one reason or another we will get there! Big hugs to you all. Xxx

Yes, the chemo brain has definitely got to me today. Going round Sainsbury’s this morning couldn’t remember half of what I wanted to get (should have made a list!), and struggled to put it away when we got it home.

HER2 + ladies and gents interested in Perjeta - I have dug out article in Guardian 16/11/16 about it now being NHS approved for primary BC patients, here is a link: google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/17/breast-cancer-drug-perjeta-approved-for-nhs-use-after-price-cut? This decision is a ‘U turn’ as in May they rejected approving it, largely because the cost-benefit analysis didn’t stack up due to the high price the manufacturer wanted NHS England to pay (they tried to charge NHS Scotland even more!). It seems as though the NHS will only fund it for use in neo-adjuvant chemotherapy for primary BC alongside Taxotere (Docetaxel) and Herceptin (Trastuzumab) in a relatively small number of cases where the BC is ‘aggressive’ and it is likely to make a difference to the outcome of the surgery. The example given is where it could make an otherwise inoperable tumour more likely to be operable. It is less clear whether it will be funded in cases such as mine, wher it could make the difference between a lumpectomy and a mastectomy. There is also no evidence it will improve long-term outcomes, such as prevent the BC coming back or increase overall projected survival rates. If you are undergoing neo-adjuvant chemotherapy and have not yet started your T + Herceptin cycles, and think it could make a difference to the type of surgery you have been offered, it is worth enquiring, but otherwise, probably not. Hope this is helpful.

Morning everyone,

had a meeting with Oncologist yesterday afternoon. All ok for 4th FEC next Tuesday subject to the regular blood test of course.  She didn’t seem at all concerned about my cold (I was worried that she may postpone my FEC), saying that everyone has a cold this time of year and not to worry about it!

thanks Liz  for your comments, my cystitis cleared up, and the meds will be included in my next pack.  It is an se of the C apparently and as I’m prone anyway - it is ‘one of those things’.

very interesting to read about the new drugs on offer from OldDawn - my dad (90) found the article in the Telegraph and sent it to me, but I understand that the drug is not suitable for me.  But good to know that they are researching and looking for new drugs and treatments.

i too suffer with Chemo brain - won’t drive now as I cannot concentrate for more than about 20mins! Only short trips of 5 miles to the next village to see my parents…I’ve also wandered round the supermarket thinking ‘what have I come here for’!!  Fortunately my husband doesn’t mind supermarket shopping.

‘The wall’, seems to be bit softer/lower today - hopefully it will continue to soften until it’s time for the next hit.  So good to have this forum to vent every now and then…

hugs to everyone.

best wishes for the coming season - it will be hard for some of us, but I’m sure we’ll all be fine with our family and friends around us.

sueBxxx

Hi everybody

a week after my third EC and I’m still feeling terrible, so clearly the effects accumulate as you go on. I’m not in pain or feeling nauseous, but have very wobbly legs, as though they might just give way under me. managed a5 minute walk outside today, but that’s the first time I’ve been out of the house since Sunday - aargh! I assume that’s normal?

Very interesting as well as supportive, keeping up with you all and marvelling at how differently we all feel. Not feeling very coherent, sorry. My very best hugs and wishes to all of you at the moment, this is a particularly difficult time of year for us. Although the family are very good at sounding helpful, no cards or presents have been bought yet, so it might be a sparse Christmas! 

 

 

Hi Fairycake,
I had the same wobbly leg feeling for a day or two after each chemo session but it did get better after a couple of days so I hope yours does too. I started with little 5 minute walks and then gradually built up. Then started again the next cycle!
Can you do Christmas presents online? I’ve done that this year as I just haven’t been up to going shopping this year. It has meant my postman has had an awful time lugging rather a lot of boxes to my front door! :smiley:
Lots of hugs, keep your chin up you’re doing well
Sue F xx

Try just typing into Google 'best presents for…children/men/dogs etc etc :D.
It might help start you off!

Sue xx

Has anyone been put on biophosphates?

Sue x

Yes I just realised that I had spelt it wrong my chemo head has been bad today :D. My oncologist mentioned biphosphates in relation to post menopausal women with breast cancer and I read an article by the BBC about it. google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37432935
Gracie I saw my oncologist again today and he said I would probably not be as nauseous if at all on the T which I start next Thurs. I’ve had 3 cycles of FEC now with 10 to 11 days of constant nausea each time day and night which has left me totally exhausted with the lack of sleep due to feeling so sick through the night. It’s been the worst se for me. We all have our difficult times through this but sometimes better days and it’s hard when you feel so low but it will get better and you will get through this. And believe your hubby! Dont worry about feeling the way you do. It’s not surprising that any of us feel like that with what we’re coping with.
Lots of hugs,
Sue F xx

Hi Gracie, that must have been horrible for you, there’s the fear of embarrassing yourself in public, isn’t there. I went to meet some friends for coffee cos the cafe is right next to the car park so I thought I could manage it. I was virtually hanging onto each table as i passed it to get through the room to my friends. Worth it to get out of the house and away from antique road trip though! The nausea passed after about day 5, but this weak feeling seems to go on and on for me. 

I know what people mean about taking the joy out - I am so bored with myself obsessing about my symptoms constantly, it must be awful for my family having to listen to me!

 

nyhow I hope that you start feeling better very soon