Starting Chemo in February 2013: February Valentines

Dear Valentines – glad to hear your FEC 3 went well Elaine, and hope your session was also good Ciccia and that your veins held up!

I’ve got to say that my session today (also FEC 3) was an unremittingly bad experience – the first one along this journey for me, so I musn’t complain. First of all the receptionist at the chemo ward was sick, so the place was in chaos. I needed to get my next Oncologist appointment and the next chemo session, and that proved to be extremely difficult.

When we went in for treatment it turned out that my blood test on Tuesday had showed neutrophils of 1.0 (last cycle they had recovered to 2.5 when tested). As they were so borderline and so different from the time before the nurse was reluctant to give treatment until checking with the Oncologist, who proved hard to track down. Once he got the all clear and we got started, he gave me the wrong pre-treatment anti-emetics – some of it he was able to correct and some not – with a result that by half-way through the session I was already nauseous! Then we had trouble with my veins, which has never happened before. I was already in pain from the site on my arm where they took blood on Tuesday, and now have vastly inflammed veins lower on that arm from the chemo site. I now have serious pain in all four limbs – two legs with shot knees, one arm with a very painful arthitic shoulder and now a chemo arm!

Next on the list of horrors, he gave me the Epirubicin too quickly – although I had specially asked him to give it as slowly as possible – so I think I am going to have vision problems again this cycle as I did with the first one. And to round it all off, the cold cap gave me a terrible headache this time – perhaps because my hair is so thin now. So all in all, just a rotten day!!! To make it all worse, the Oncologist, who is just lovely, is on annual leave the week of my next appointment, so I will just be seeing the nurse. I’m sure that she is very competent, but I would really like the reassurance of seeing the big cheese before starting the Docetaxel regime! OK, rant over!

Funny how the weight/chocolate issue is so personal, as with so many other things in this process. I lost well over a stone during the first cycle and then gained about half of it back in the second. I have always quite liked chocolate, but now can take it or leave it – usually leave it. I also used to be a real ice cream addict and now find that I actively dislike it – which probably is a good thing!!! I still find the mere thought of wine enough to turn my stomach, but have had a couple of drinks of spirits during my good week, which I found very nice, indeed We are all so individual – thank goodness.

As Elaine said, I have a feeling that I may disappear into the miasma for a few days, don’t worry about me, I will turn up again like the proverbial bad penny!

Hope everyone has a good night. XXXXXX Louise

Fec T
Fec 3, day 2

Had a fantastic day yesterday. My daughter picked me up at 10am Got to the hospital far too early for my 1pm appointment, deliberately. Had a look in the Macmillan store and picked up a few more booklets. Also bought some raffle tickets for a HUGE basket of Boots No 7 goodies. Went to the WRVS stall for a sandwich and coffee. Nowhere to sit as it isn’t a cafe, so sat in the oncology clinic waiting room next door. Then went to book in for chemo. We didn’t have to wait long before a lovely nurse fetched me. Her family are from Sierra Leone originally, although she was born in Britain. Treatment went like a dream and very quickly. Daughter was amazed. Afterwards I popped into Breast Institute to leave a message for my BCN about path report. We are very lucky at the Nottingham City Hospital, in that not only do we have a Macmillan store, we also have a Maggies Centre. We went there too, had a coffee and a chat, and a look round. It’s fantastic. I found some gorgeous little hats made specially for Maggies, so bought two and a Maggies pin badge, they also sell scarves, but I didn’t bother with those as I loved the hats. A lady there was knitting frilly neck scarves, so daughter bought herself one. We had a brilliant time - chemo, shcemo!! Oh yes, Onco gave me Lansoprazole for acid burning stomach, and Fluconazole for oral thrush and painful mouth. But no extra steroids to take before Tax, so must ask next time I see her.

Tup, I was horrified by your scary experience with cannula. Hope all your bruising is disappearing. By the way, love your new picture.

Angie, glad you’ve got your radiator in place and working.

Buddy, how frustrating for you to have to cope with infections and have Fec 3 delayed. Please get well enough to have it soon.

Sarah, thanks for the tax info. I’ve copied and pasted it into a document so I can read it at leisure later.

Alison, couldn’t you ask for the Fluconazole for your fungal infection? It’s not just for oral thrush, but for all fungal infections wherever it is. You only have to take one a day.

Jackie, what horrible people you have met over the last couple of weeks. Careless nurses! Impolite ment!! Should never tell a lady what age you REALLY think she is, whether she has cancer and chemo or not!!!

Sandra, what a fab photo of you. I wish I could go off chocolate and lose weight - I’m so obese it’s bloody ridiculous!!!

Karen, would have loved to see a photo of your ‘drowned guinea pig’ that made me laugh.

Linda, so sorry your chemo has been put back AGAIN!!! (the number of exclamation marks denotes how angry I am on your behalf.)

Elaine, so sorry to hear of OH’s granddad. I love old men with twinkly eyes - in the nicest possible way of course.

Mandy, love the term ‘upchuck’ but sorry you had that experience. I think in the US they call it ‘barfing’!!

Granny P, I’m delighted that I cheered up your crappy day. God bless.

Louise, another one suffering more than she should. Stupid nurse, and why are oncos so elusive when they are most needed!!! (lots of those angry exclamation marks appearing today).

I’ve changed my photo AGAIN, this time I’m wearing one of the new hats from Maggies, the other one is lilac coloured.

Wishing everyone a restful night, an improvement in SEs, and NO hospital stays please ladies.

Love Kath xxxx

Glad you went ahead Louise but sorry it sounds like such a kerfuffle! I was told today that my onco is retiring nest week!!! So no one knows who I will be seeing! It’s very disconcerting :frowning: Doesn’t anyone tell them that we are in this together so no rest till it’s done! :wink:
Here’s hoping for a minimal SE hibernation xxx

Just a couple of tips from my oncologist regarding TAX:
Dark nail varnish (it doesn’t have to be black) should be worn all the time. He commented that I was not wearing nail varnish today - I only wore it during the first week. I should have kept it on the whole time as my nails are now very red and sore.
He said it’s best to take painkillers, ibuprofen for example, before you get any aches or pains. Typically, they appear on day 3, so starting them on day 1 or 2 might be beneficial.
I’m off for my last chemo session on Monday before undergoing a masectomy. Then hopefully THAT WILL BE IT - except for ovary removal but that’ll be at a later date.
Can’t wait - I’ve worked this week and have loved the normality.

Diane xx

Diane, good luck for Monday, and hope that your mastectomy goes as well as mine did, or even better than mine did. Thanks for telling us to keep nail varnish on permanently. I did get black, but I don’t wear it normally.

Love Kath xxx

Another fantastic poem Kath! you are so talented.x

FEC-T SECOND FEC day 17
Ladies I wonder if I can pick your brains please? I dont have any side effects at the moment other than what I can only describe as really bad PMT. I had a Hysterectomy 12 years ago and have already been through the change. At the beginning of last week I started to get really crabby and had a very short fuse. I started snapping at my Husband and was being really nasty. This has now been replaced with what I can only describe as depression. I’m close to tears all the time, I cant be bothered with anything and I have this big black cloud following me round everywhere I go. I didnt have theses feelings last time round and i just wondered if any of you Ladies have had this.
Funki x x x

Yep Funki, I had that. Mentioned it to chemo nurse today who insisted it was steroid come down but I think went on too long, chemo messes with everything else, why not mind/ hormones! Did go eventually for a few days but dreading it starting again this cycle. Hope the gloom lifts for you soon!
Hugs
Elaine xx
P.S. A non - chemo friend pointed out that lots of people suffering from depression at the moment due to bloody awful weather, could be a factor.
Keep warm and dry Valentine xxx

Hi again Vals,
Angie I always get the red face,like I’ve been in the wind and sun,happened both times,this time I felt a bit like pressure in my head too,goes after couple days.
Kath love the new hat and the poem made me laugh out loud
Diane good luck for monday,I hope you are happier now plan in place and you know you are in the process of getting it all sorted so you can go back to your life in a more settled state of mind.xxx<3
Louise Poor You!!! what a nightmare time you had,some nurses are just not doing the best for their patients,mine have been lovely thank goodness.Hugs xxxxx<3
Elaine my friend in Rock Choir,did flashmob at Lakeside Shopping Centre(Essex) last week.Glad No.3 done for you now.xxx
Re weight loss,I allowed myself to put on weight over xmas as expected to end up stick thin and white faced with chemo.Was not impressed to be told that I mustn’t lose weight whilst on chemo as it is measured out according to weight and height,just like horse medication is.The upshot is I am now just under 13st,never in my life been so heavy.Keep looking in windows to see what is following me,only to find it’s my rear end!!!
Had a moment in Morrisons this morning,was watching woman 60’s i suppose,picking up loose croissants,squeezing them,putting back in bread basket ,picking up more and carrying on like that.I saw RED!!! sidled up to her said"Shouldn’t you be using tongs for that?“She said"Lots of people have handled these,don’t you worry about it.”
I repeated"You should use the tongs,I may have been going to buy some,but now I won’t.""That’s your prerogative."was the reply.!!!I think I will write to the store about it.Imagine she had a toilet bug on her hand and I caught it,I would end up very sick in hospital!!!
Daughter popped over on way to have damaged arm checked again at docs(Horse kick)Tried my wig on her as she has incredibly thick,long hair,she looked really strange in a bob,not her at all.
Well have a good evening all,stick with it Lots of love Chris xxxxx<3

Just a really quick post to say I am thinking of you all, particularly those who have had a bit of a rough time over the last couple of days.

Specifically to Funki though: yes the chemo can cause mood swings. I had a really bad patch at the end of cylce one and again on days 8-12 of this second cycle. I’m sure it’s within the realm of what can be expected from chemo - although it’s a bugger on top of the physical side-effects. Just keep telling myself that if it happens again, I can crawl my way out of it. You will too, I’m sure. Hang on in there. Hugs.
Kath : the Boob poem made me smile. You have an inspirational attitude. Thank you.

Take care all,

Gill

Thanks Elaine. I nomally crash and burn day 5 after the steroids stop but this is different plus I think its too long after the steroids have stopped for it to be anything to do with them (day 17) I will keep and eye and if I still feel this way when I go for bloods on Monday I will mention it. My Husband has been such a star for me throughout and he doesnt deserve the way I have been with him over the last week. Fortunately, he isn’t taking any notice of my nasty attitude where as If I was like this normally he would pull me up on it and say something but because I’m on chemo is is ignoring it. He came in from work tonight and just hugged me. I burst in to tears and he just held on to me repeating the words I know I know.
I’m such an effing bitch :frowning:

Thank you Gill.

Dear Funki – the mood/depression/whatever you spoke of exactly matches what I was going through for most of my 2nd FEC cycle. I describe it as being very “detached” as nothing seems worth doing or engaging with; but I realize that it is a form of depression. I mentioned it today to the “nice” chemo nurse who handled me so well last time, and she said that she has noticed these symptoms are very common in the second cycle and early third cycle. She thinks that is when the whole process sort of settes in and the long road ahead just seems to stretch out forever. At least at the moment I’m just feeling too damn sick to be worried about it, but I suppose it will come back when I feel better.

Yes, I too adored the breast in the box. One of your very best, Kath!!!

XXXXXX Louise

Oh Funki it must be catching hun… I thank God I have a diamond in my Oh as I have put him through the mill… nothing he says or does is good enough but he just comes and hugs me… and sometimes he will say " I need a hug" i tend to forget he is going through all of this with me…so ladies it looks as if its one of those things and pray we have patient husbands and partners xx

Much love to everyone… I am praying to stay out of hospital this weekend… even hubby said dont take your temperature this weekend…lol …going to talk to onc on Monday to see if there is any way of increasing my injections… fingers crossed

Much love to all Valentines and hoping you all have a good weekend… Im not tending to go anywhere with this weather upon us xx

Funki So sad to know that you are feeling depressed,it’s just the drugs doing it.Your OH is being very supportive and that’s lovely.Sending you massive squidgy hugs xxxxxx((( ))) <3 Chris

FEC2 Day2
Evening all,
**Kath, thank you for such a fun poem - you are clever!

The weight issue is very depressing. I didn’t eat as well as I usually do during the first week of FEC1, I picked at stupid things like fajita breads rolled up with marmite, porridge with butter AND sugar, Haribo fizzers and loads of mellon. Weird or what?

Now after FEC2 I don’t want to eat in case it makes me feel sick. Elder son home so he made Chilli Salmon with Baby Carrots, New Potatoes and Salad this evening. Wasn’t going to have it but he put me a little portion out and I wolfed the lot. Yum! Lovely!

Glad to hear so many of you have been able to get out and about even with the rubbish weather.

Sorry you’re feeling so low Funki. I think it is a side effect. I’ve really snapped at my poor OH, even when it’s been my fault 'cos I couldn’t make him understand what I needed with not being able to find the words :-(. I also think the weather has a lot to do with it. I have several non BC friends and my younger son who are all very low just now. Bring on the sunshine please!

Thanks for the tip about nail varnish Diane. I wounded if it might be an old wives tale but might give it a go. I’m not sure if I can cope with black/dark nails all summer. Do you think dark red would work? You are being very brave about the Mx but I know what you mean about it being better once the plan is in place. I have to have more surgery after chemo and don’t yet know if it will end up being double mx. Silly as this sounds I really don’t think I care so long as ‘The Beast Cancer’ has gone.

Paula, very glad your mum got you the extra meds. I didn’t have them over the weekend last time and felt really grim but have them for this time.

Wishing you all a peaceful night.

Love, Mandy xx**

Ooooooh! Posted big and funny again. Sorry x

big hugs Funki - same for me too round 2, week 2 was all emotional then lead up to round 3 i got really anxious and apprehensive, both dreading it and dreading it getting delayed. Think we are all entitled to at least a few tears & tantrums through this xxx

Louise , I’ve just re-read your post re chemo. How awful. I do hope you’re recovering. Xx
(BTW, I copied and posted this post in exactly the same way as I did the one that went big and funny - very strange!)
Mxx

Thank you so much Mandy, am146, Chris, Sandra and Louise for sharing your experiences and kind words. Your posts made my cry but in a good way. It is so wonderful to know we can ask a question and there is always someone on here that will help and offer advice.
Bless all the Valentines X <3

I have another question. To any of you that had a WLE or MX with full node clearance. The numbness that goes down the back of the arm, the tight feeling around the scar, the stiffness in the whole area that we got after the surgery remember? Mine has been gone for weeks now but today they have returned. I dont think its our old friend ‘Lyn Fo Dima’ as I have no swelling, also it’s not painfull. Actually, the best way for me to describe it is like when I had a seroma, just feels really tight. Anyone else had this return whilst on chemo?
Funki x x x

Mandy I have black finger nails and toe nails ready for the TAX in fact they are acrylics (which my onc said was OK to keep during chemo) Like you I didnt like the idea of black nails or my granddaughter calling me a Goth so I asked the nail technician to add some glitter and she did. I now have black nails but have silver glitter in with the Acrylic and it looks pretty. Look at it this way hun… Black nails for a few months or risk your nails falling off completely :wink: x x x