Hi Wolvesgirl, Spottycotty and everyone,
I’ve just got back from my second treatment with Herceptin, Perjeta and Docetaxel, which took about 4 four hours because there needs to be a saline flush between each drug infusion, but was much quicker than the marathon session of the initial treatment (9 hours the first day, 4 the next day) when you need to be monitored for adverse reactions for several hours. All went well during the treatment - as in the first cycle, I felt nothing at all during the treatment. The nurses gave me good advice about dealing with the bone pain, which can be caused by Docetaxel but is accentuated by the Zarzio (filgrastim) injections and therefore tends to happen mostly during that part of the cycle. They told me to start taking paracetamol, alternating with ibuprofen, whenever any slight bone pain started after the injections, and to take it in anticipation of bone pain starting on Day 5 (when during the last cycle I was hit by severe pain during the night, having tried to ride out some lesser bone pain during the day). They think that I should be able to manage the pain without being prescribed strong prescription painkillers, as I only really had bad pain twice, but I can ring up for stronger painkillers if needed.
The increased dose of steroids around the time of the Docetaxel treatment is apparently to counter possible adverse effects, and I have found that the high dosage (I have to take 4 tablets twice daily on the day before treatment, day of treatment and day after) has given me a few side effects (bright red burning cheeks and a slight rash on the chest, the inability to sleep/feeling restless, and feeling very hungry). I did not get these with the lower steroid dose when on EC, but apparently they are all quite standard with the higher dose. Indeed, at the LGFB course on Monday, one lady was on the day before treatment and had exactly the same red “steroid cheeks” as I have today. My chemo nurse said today that the dose is very high, but is vital with Docetaxel (so much so that the treatment cannot be given if the patient forgets to take the pre-treatment prescribed dose). So I guess that whatever adverse effects the steroids aim to prevent could be worse than those from the high dose.
I have had taste issues with the Docetaxel on the first cycle - three wonderful days (Day 1-3) when on steroids with all tastebuds normal and functioning, but then a few days with weird/blunted tastebuds (bitter/metallic taste) followed by a couple of days with almost no sense of taste or smell at all, and when I didn’t have much interest in eating (although was not nauseous). Thankfully the third week of the cycle was OK, as I could taste and enjoy most things again.
Docetaxel definitely can cause nail problems, as a gentleman in my treatment room today showed me how it had made several of his nails fall off (but he has a different type of cancer, so perhaps it is not a direct comparison). I having been using Evonail since the start of chemo, and have no nail problems so far (in fact my nails are growing fast and are strong). I have also had no mouth problems at all. One benefit of the Docetaxel is that it has never given me the feeling of a woozy head or headache, and for some reason it has not made me tired (although I know it does in many people). So these have been good things. The digestive unpredictability has for me probably been the most inconvenient side effect, but the nurse today advised me to take the loperamide more regularly as a preventative measure, so I will do that. I think I have learnt quite a bit from the first cycle, and will act on it during this one.
I hope that all moving on to a taxol regime will get on as well as possible with it. It is scary adapting to new side effects, but we are all becoming more experienced at the chemo rollercoaster and will can do it! It is amazing how quickly time is passing - I now just have two cycles to go, and it seems only a moment ago I was terrified at the thought of starting chemo.
Take care everyone, and I hope that you all have a good rest of the week.
yeh i think we have been in touch before.
if you want to ask anything please do.
i've finished my chemo now. 👍👍
mini mad xx 💖💖
Hi mini mad
Thank you! 😘 I think you’ve offered me some reassurance before.
I think my main concerns are 1. the frequency in which it’s given, Iv been having EC every 3 weeks and I’m finding that for a week of that I’m very fuzzy headed and tired but then I have 2 weeks where I’m feeling “normal”. I’m worried about not having that break from it and spending a whole 12 weeks wiped out. 2. A whole new set of side effects to deal with 😳 I’m sure I’ll think of other things to pick your brains about to 😆🙈
thank you so much for offering your advice
I had paclitaxel once a week for 12 weeks.
i finished my treatment 7 weeks ago.
if i can offer any advice pls just ask 💖
lovely to hear from you. Sorry to hear you’ve had a few problems which have delayed your treatment. I’v got my last EC on Friday 18th then I’m moving onto Paclitaxel like you. Please let me know how you get on with it as I’m getting quite anxious about starting a different type of chemo. Feels like your starting all over again doesn’t it?! I’m hoping like you that its correct about the EC being more harsh. Are you having it weekly? Doesn’t give you much time to recover in between 😳
Sorry haven't been on here for a while, but good to read through all your updates and it seems we're all soldiering on! I have had a bit of a hiccup with developing blood clots in my picc line after my fourth EC - gah! So it's had to be whipped out, I'm on lovely blood thinning injections for three months (blinking painful but at least none of the horror side effects of the filgastrim!) and starting paclitaxel was delayed for two weeks until I could get a port fitted (my other arm is out because of ANC and they're worried about cannulating the picc line arm after blood clots). Anyhoo, that's going in tomorrow and weekly pax starts on Friday...
I had really mixed feelings about the two week break, as it pushes my finish point after Christmas, but also I was SO knocked out by EC 4 it has been good to recover a little. It's now 4 weeks since any chemo drugs and I'm feeling pretty good, managed some work and even getting to some yoga classes, but BOY am I exhausted, just made me think about after chemo is done there's a whole lot of recovery time in getting energy back to come...
Anyone else started weekly pax yet? I'm REALLY nervous about Friday - I'm hoping that it's gentler, which is the general guidance I've been given, but I've been doing a good job at side effects bingo so far, so fear I might keep this up and get everything going with pax! Saw the oncology nurse consultant today and she was quite confident I'd be able to work a little around pax, but it's hard to know, last EC had me in the fog for 8 days in the end, so I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst! Doing a massive shop and meal plan for the week now to try and get everything in place for when I go under...
Big love to you all and keep on keeping on!
Sounds like things are going OK for our little group - I am now day 6 post FEC - still nauseous but not taking antiemetics as I don't want the constipation that goes with them - managing with fluids and ginger biscuits! Although I still feel rough I am much more positive than I was which has helped and reading your posts really helps with that so thank you all.
Blackcat - sounds like your first cycle of the new regime has gone well - I really hope that continues from this week with your next dose and you continue not to experience side effects to a great degree. I don't know if the bone pain is the drugs or the GCSF - that can be pretty acute - but paracetamol is a good analgesic for it although I accept what you say about being unable to anticipate it during the night. So very pleased you have been able to get out and about more - I am really hoping that will be the case for me next time. I am so sad about the reduction in my fitness since this started - the gym is a distant memory - but I can only look forward to getting it all back again from the New Year.
Spottycotty - well done! No vomiting night one! Again, really pleased that is the case and hope it continues. How are you and Blackcat finding the increased dose of steroids (if that is what you are having - I have been given double the dose to start the day before)? I can't say I like taking them but they seem to work re side effects so they are a necessary evil I think but it makes me wonder about the need for doubling the dose - what are they anticipating??? Fingers crossed for a good recovery. Sleep is good - give into it - its your body telling you it needs it.
Are either of you experiencing taste issues? I believe that can be more of a problem with Docetaxol as can nail issues - have you painted yours?
Lisalou - glad you are OK too and have had time out last weekend. Its our harvest lunch this weekend and as the token village veggie I always have to make a quiche (for me and my husband basically). Its always a nice occasion and I am really looking forward to it.
Keep well everyone, love xxx
Well I have had the first dose of docetaxol yesterday and I can’t believe the difference!!
Ive got through the night without having my head down the freshly bleached toilet or sick bowl!!! 👏👏👏 slept right through till 4.30 so I’m feeling well pleased with myself 🤣
I felt really nauseous at the hospital but I think it’s the smells and the anticipation etc turning my stomach more than this lot of meds.
I came home, washed the conditioner out of my hair from the cold cap and got settled on the sofa.
I’ve felt really tired and slept loads but I can take that, I know it’s early days and there may be a monster lurking round the corner (days 5-9 Blackcat??) but for the time being, I’m enjoying feeling normal ish 👍👍
Really hope everyone is getting on ok too..
ps, the nurse who hurt my arm refused to see me again 😆😆 ... bloody fine by me!!!!
Sorry for late reply wolvesgirl. I have indeed been enjoying these chemo and fuzzy head free days! im 11 days post EC now and feeling pretty good.
Been trying to get out walking as much as I can with my dog and meeting up with friends.
blackcat I’m so glad you managed to get onto the look good feel better workshop, I really can’t recommend it enough to all you other ladies.
Hope everyone’s ok?
big hugs to everyone
Wolvesgirl, well done done for trying to get out and about, it’s so difficult to do things when you have that woozy head isn’t it, I really hated feeling like that... anyway, last one of those so done so onwards and upwards.
Blackcat, the workshop sounds really good, I’ll have to book in when I know when my good days are.
Im having my first docetaxol tomorrow 😩 feel like I’m starting over and I’m a bit unnerved as I don’t know what to expect or what days I’ll be well.
Ive been keeping track of my temperature this week as it’s usually low (35.5 ish) so I thought I’d keep track then I’ll notice if it drops more.
Anyway, we’ve had a lovely weekend away to prepare ourselves for the this week, my brother in law is getting married at Gretna Green on Saturday so I’ll be missing that, daren’t sit in the car for that long after hearing loose stool stories like yours Blackcat!!! Imagine!!!
Anyway, I hope everyone is as well as can be xxxxxx
Hi Wolvesgirl and everyone,
I’m sorry to hear that you had a bad night with nausea, and I hope that you are feeling better now. I think that you are right to be up and doing things, as I found it always helps me too when I am on the worst days of the treatment cycle - every normal task I complete is like a small victory!
I think that there are pros and cons to the new drugs (Docetaxel/Herceptin/Perjeta) in comparison to the EC. On the plus side, it has been good not to have the nausea and the woozy head, but on the minus side the bone pain has been a challenge at times (particularly because twice it kicked in during the night and so I hadn’t taken any medication to anticipate it). However, it was only really an issue on Days 5-9. The Docetaxel has also given me some digestive issues - not actual diarrhoea (which my chemo nurse said was really common), but certainly a speeded up and unpredictable digestive tract, which is inconvenient when you are out. On the new drugs I have not felt tired, and I have just had an excellent few days when I have been out and about doing lots of things (walking in the countryside, having meals out, and just doing normal tasks like taking my cats for the vets for their annual check up/jabs). However tomorrow I am back at the hospital for bloods in preparation for treatment no. 4 on Wednesday, so I will be back at the start of the cycle (and the SEs) soon. This time I am going to ask for some better painkillers for the bone pain, I think, and also for advice about whether to take painkillers in anticipation of it starting.
I have just come back from my Look Good, Feel Better workshop at the hospital, and it was excellent! We were given fabulous goody bags containing about £250 worth of big name cosmetics, skin care products and fragrances, and were shown how to apply them to compensate for some of the issues we face during chemo (e.g. steriod flush on the cheeks, loss of eyebrows, dehydrated skin etc). There were 7 other ladies there, 6 of whom are also going through chemo for breast cancer, and it was a great opportunity to compare experiences and share tips. We all came out looking much more glamorous than when we went in, and feeling much better too, so the workshop definitely lived up to its name. It has also come just at the right moment for me - I was dreading the steroid redness/heat/itchiness on the cheeks which I got on the first Docetaxel cycle (and which I will probably get tomorrow when I take my first dose for the next cycle), but now I have a lovely green (!!) skin treatment which miraculously makes the redness disappear. My eyebrows have also been departing at an alarming rate, but today I was given a product to draw them in, and shown how to do it properly without it looking as if caterpillars have attached themselves to my forehead. So if anyone get the chance to sign up for a LGFB session, I would really recommend it.
I hope that everyone is as well as possible, and send a virtual hug to all on the thread.
Hi Lisalou and everyone
How are you? Lisalou - hope you enjoyed Downton Abbey with your daughter - I am hoping the DVD will be out for Christmas and it will be our film to watch Christmas afternoon. Sounds like its the right kind of feel good factor!
I am OK - day 5 which seems to be my worst - had a bad night with nausea but managed to get it under control and get some sleep though feel a bit spaced out today. However, positive thinking is the way forward so I am up and about and getting on with things rather than moping about like I did last cycle.
Blackcat - how are you getting on with the new drugs? Better or worse than the EC? Take care all xxx
Hope your feeling ok after your latest treatment?!
I’m slowly feeling like I’m back in the land of the living (day7) stomachs a bit tender today though.
Hoping to get out tonight to watch downtown abbey with my daughter so just having a chilled out day.
Hope everyone’s ok.
So, third and final FEC administered today and now doing it worst (I hope) to any random cancer cells that might be floating around. Determined to keep positive and crack on through the Docetaxil - I am assured that nausea not so bad with it which is a massive bonus. Also only 20 mins of cold cap after treatment compared to 1.5 hours with FEC.
Hope you are all well at your various points of treatment and keeping dry in this weather. We live close to the Severn (not at risk of flooding though) and it’s very high at the moment! xxx
Jencat - it sounds like we are having similar treatments (although I'm Triple Positive). I've been having Zoledronic acid with chemo every 6 weeks (so every second chemo cycle) and will carry on for 3 years - along with Herceptin and ptzumamab. I'm 59 and post-menopausal.
Spottycotty - I think you're probably right about it being more appropriate for post-menopausal women. You've obviously been doing some research, but I found this useful (although I can't see that it mentions who it's suitable for - so still may be worth mentioning to your docs).
Wolvesgirl glad your meal out went ok I do think it’s more us that feel conscious of it rather than other people even realising we have one on. Glad your feeling more positive too! I’m 5 days post EC now and feeling ok just very tired. I am finding that these first few days after chemo I feel a bit down and less positive then as I start feeling more myself I get my mojo back and feel very upbeat and positive again 💪🏽.
I too am TN. Everyone’s treatment plans are a bit different aren’t they. I haven’t had surgery yet. I was offered to have it before chemo but I said whatever they thought was best and I think they thought chemo first to blast as much of it away as possible.
its a lovely day here today so going to drag myself out for a walk.
Morning Wolvegirl, pleased to read that you're feeling better today x
Re wigs, I think it's often us feeling self-conscious wearing them at first, but actually other people can't tell we're wearing them. I remember a neighbour commented on my lovely haircut when I wore mine and she didn't even know I'd got bc so had no idea that I'd be wearing a wig x
I think Zoldronic Acid is only for post menopausal women, so probably not suitable for you.
No, I haven't been having chemo for two years, I think I must have worded my message incorrectly! I had Z A alongside my chemo which finished in March '18, but I have to go back to the chemo unit every 6mths for an infusion of Z A until next Summer x
Hi Spottycotty and everyone
I just wanted to check I had told you the right thing about the biphosphonates so I checked the info leaflets on here and Cancer Research UK. Both confirm its used in post menopausal women which makes sense I guess.
Thanks to all for support re the wig and my supper with friends I haven't seen for a while last night. Both said how nice my hair looked and asked what I had done to it. Rather than coming clean, I mumbled something about covering up the slowly emerging grey with highlights! If they suspected anything they kept it to themselves.
Off for bloods today prior to last FEC tomorrow. Feeling very positive about it all today which is good after how down in the dumps I was last time. Think I am back to my normal self and am determined to keep it that way. Take care all xxxx
im 45 and pre menopausal so by what I’m reading I don’t think it will be relevant to me?
Have you been having chemo for 2 years?? 😨
Hi Spottycotty, I'm also TN. I started having Zoldronic Acid whilst having chemo, every other one and then for 3 years afterwards. I think you have to be post menopausal to be able to have them. (I'm 60 now and 58 when I started chemo) I'm not sure how old you are, but if this applies to you it might be worth talking to your onc about it x
Ahh, I see, thanks Wolvesgirl
mini mad, I’m halfway through treatment now, I’ve got round 4 of chemo next week.
I hadn’t heard of this before, I like to know what I can in case anything is relevant!!
These drugs are used to treat osteoporosis generally but as I understand it there is evidence that they may help prevent spread of cancer to bones. I don’t know what the criteria are for having this but it might be that you have to be post menopausal which I am (I am 61). I was also young when I became menopausal so it might be a good thing for me to have anyway. The oncologist said to me you can have tablets or a twice yearly infusion. He also said three years to me. We are going to discuss it when I have finished chemo but it seems a good idea to me. Hope that helps xx
the best thing for you is to google it or take a look on the Breast Care website.
you say you're TN, are you having treatment now ??
mini mad xx 💖💖
I haven’t heard of he drug you are talking about, could you tell me more please??
im TRiple negative too
i am having Zoledronic Acid infusions every 6 months for 2 years.
i've had one already n next one is January 2020.
i did try the tablets but they gave me horrendous heartburn, so now having it through IV.
I think they offered it to me because of my age (69) and i've had TNBC twice in 2 years.
do whats best for you. Mini mad xx 💖💖
Hi again Mini Mad
Sorry forgot to add that biphosphonates as well are probable - another 2% benefit is worth having I think. Don't know if anyone else is considering these? If I do have them I would prefer an infusion every six months rather than the tablets but need to consult the dentist first anyway. xx
Hi Mini Mad
So pleased you have got plans for a lovely holiday coming up - that is something to look forward to as the days get shorter and darker. Good news re the hair too - all signed of return to normality.
My treatment plan is FEC-T, three of each, so this week will be the third FEC and then onto the T. To be honest I have struggled - I had an admission on cycle one and then really hit the grumps on cycle two to the extent that I decided I would stop chemo. Had a long chat with the nurse who suggested I had at least the last FEC so thats what I am doing this week. Of course, now I feel fine I can't imagine why I was so down and I really want to carry on with the whole treatment! So, my plan is to see how I am on cycle three and then decide but I do want to make sure I give myself the best chance now so I will probably grit my teeth and get on with it. Then onto 15 radiotherapy sessions plus boost doses so it will have had everything thrown at it. As the whole cancer has been removed with wide margins and clear nodes I think that is as good as a position as I can get.
Its been more challenging emotionally than I was ready for to be honest - I have always thought of myself as pretty robust and able to face anything but I seem to be making much heavier weather of it than you and all the other lovely ladies on here who are inspirational with their determination to get this done. xx
yes i finished my chemo 5 weeks ago.... huge relief and i dont miss my hospital appts one bit 😆😆
think i have a little more energy now but gonna be a long haul....just booked a weeks holiday at end of November to Ferterventura for our 46th w/ann, just gotta watch out for the sun 😉😉
my hair has begun to sprout !!! Got about 1/2 inch all over, so still wearing my lvely scarves until it gets longer, then i might go ' natural '
sorry, chemo fog.... what was ur treatment plan for your TN ??
Hi Mini Mad
Me! It itches when I get hot so I haven't been to the gym or anything as I don't want people there to know about the treatment (my issue sadly) but if I go for a walk or something its bliss to take it off. Just feel sorry for my husband who has to look at me with thin, lanky hair although he doesn't mind.
How are you now as I think you have finished your chemo haven't you? I have struggled but am determined to get through it and beat this TN thing!! xx
The only downside I have experienced is I get a bit hot - a bit of energetic hoovering and my scalp itches a bit but it soon wears off. I must admit by the evening its nice to get air to my head! I have another wig which was quite a bit more expensive (I paid for one) which I don't wear so much as it is a bit OTT - I think I will take it in to get it cut as it is better quality. Re the collar - mine is short so I haven't found the same as you. Like you, I am not sure that anyone has really noticed and I am used to it now. Even went out to walk the dog in windy weather and felt pretty OK! Thanks for getting in touch xx
Your experiences are the same as mine. One person in the village said that my hair looked nice last week - she is a hairdresser and I can't make up my mind if she sussed it or not! Anyway, I don't think she would say anything. I had tea with a friend last night who does know and she said that it makes me look slightly different but eventually after much laughter we decided it was because it was tidier than mine!!
The people I am meeting tonight are ex work colleagues so probably won't feel they could comment anyway. Have a great day - term at UoY has restarted this week and I am so happy to be back at the books again!
Same for me really - those that do know say that the wig is exactly like my own hair as I am fortunate to have thick hair anyway. I have two wigs - one is a bit OTT and I am not so comfortable with that one, might get it trimmed a bit I think. I do take it off in the evening when I have showered but I couldn't go out with my extremely thinned hair! I am hoping that the cold cap will promote quicker regrowth even though I have lost most of it and I have read in other places that people have seen their hair regrow whilst on docetaxel which I move onto soon.
I will let you know if anything gets said - I hope it doesn't but I will deal with it if so. Thanks for getting in touch xx
You are right, I would hope that they won't comment out of sheer politeness
Wolvesgirl, if it’s close to how you hair was I doubt anyone will notice or they might think you’ve had a new style. No one could tell mine were wigs people just thought I’d changed my hair (did that loads with my different wigs) it’s just to us it feels like we’ve a cat sitting on our heads, but to everyone else it just looks like hair honest 😘😘💕💕✨✨Shi xx
I also have a wig and do wear it out for special occasions.
i do find it very hot and scratchy even though i wear a scull cap under it.
i get home, take it straight off and oooh the bliss of scratching my head 🤪🤪😆😆
Anybody else feel the same?
mini mad xx 💖💖
I too wear my wig all the time when out and I’m starting to get used to it now. The only bit that’s getting on my nerves and I don’t know if anyone else is getting this is were it sits on my collar it obviously doesn’t sit like normal hair and getting on my nerves a bit. Apart from that though I don’t think those that don’t know even notice. Iv been into work a few times and Iv even had people saying how lovely my hair looks. I had it cut shorter once I knew it was going to fall out then got a wig very similar apart from the fringe. Those friends that do know said how real it looks. I’m still quite conscious of it but getting more used to it now.
Hope you have a lovely night out 😘 xxx
Like you, I wear my wig all the time when I am out, and have got used to it as being my “hair”. It does actually look pretty much like my own hair used to be, although the fringe is cut in a more choppy style. Some friends/neighbours/former colleagues I have bumped into (who don’t know about my diagnosis) have said that they like my new haircut and have not asked any questions about whether I am OK or whether something has happened to my hair, so I presume that they have not guessed I am wearing a wig. I was also at a work-related event a couple of weeks ago where nobody knew about my diagnosis (the people there were colleagues from a different office, who I only see every few months). Nobody made any comments about my hairstyle at all, and it was nice just to be able to have an evening without any discussion about cancer/chemo etc. I guess that it may depend on how well people know you, but I would presume that most people will not notice, or if they do, will not make any comment about your hair.
I hope that you enjoy your evening out!
I have still got my hair although it is quite lank now, I have been wearing my wig to go to nice places.
my friends know about my treatment so their initial reaction was suprise when they saw my wig, they insist that had they not known me previously, they wouldn’t know at all.
The thing with my wig is that it is actually better and thicker than my real hair before it shed so my family and friends can tell, strangers in the street would never know.
I nipped to work yesterday to drop hubby off and saw a colleague, he hugged me and he touched my hair whilst doing so, I felt a little awkward so I told him I was wearing a wig and he asked if I was serious and insisted he couldn’t tell.
When you’re with your friends tonight and if they do suspect your hair is a wig, you would like to think they wouldn’t say anyway???? Bit rude if they did?? It must feel like a lot of pressure on you keeping all this to yourself although I do understand why you have, sometimes it’s lovely to just talk about normal things!!!
I hope you have a great night and your worries are unfounded. Let us know how it goes.
Thinking of you xxx
I meant to ask about people's reactions to wigs for those of you that wear them. I wear mine all the time and am almost at the point of forgetting its a wig not my hair. I do wonder whether people that don't know have noticed - no one has said anything - have any of you had anyone ask you? I suspect people won't ask but just wondered. I am out tonight with a couple of people I haven't told about the cancer and don't really want to - I am hoping I can get away with it as it is just nice to be with people who don't know and therefore its not the "elephant in the room". xx
Spottycotty, on the t, it’s softer on veins and everyone is different on t, some are still botty blocked and others need Imodium and some were just fine, there is no way of knowing ❤️But know it will be fine 👍😁 for bone pain this is the Epsom salt bath time, it’ll help a lot. You can get jaw pain from it too but as always anything you are unsure of please phone your unit ❤️💕💕✨✨Shi xx
Wolves girl ❤️Third one already 💪💪💪yet to you 👍👍 your arm will ease off on the t, it’s softer on veins. Get them to soak your arm in warm water in sharps bucket and get them to put heat pad on your arm while they do the fec it will help 👍💕💕✨✨Shi xx
Good to hear everyone is pretty well and managing side effects. I am feeling fine - third FEC on Thursday so doing a few things and seeing people before the dreaded chemo coma hits at the weekend. Am determined not to let it get to me this time so I can continue as planned with the three docetaxels afterwards. Really need to get a grip so have things to keep me entertained during the down days. It’s interesting hearing about the different side effects that you are reporting and I have to say that not being nauseous will be a bonus! I still have a sore arm but it’s bearable and I have about 15% of my hair which, I am sure, is growing! Weird.
Spottycotty - hope you have a great birthday and go somewhere lovely.
Take me care all xxx
Hi Spottycotty and everyone else.
iv not been feeling too bad thank you. Not sleeping great even though I’m feeling so tired. The steroids are keeping me awake. An achy arm still but seems to have eased a bit from last week. I’m Currently sat with a hot chocolate and a heat pad on my arm 😆. Managed a little walk to my local shops today, albeit a woozy headed one it was nice to get some fresh air after being inside most the weekend. I do find the EC does make my head fuzzy 🤪 been a few comedy moments of me saying random things and also my 18 year old daughter looked at me slightly worried as I sprayed air freshener onto the work top and wiped it down instead of antibacterial spray! Anyway hoping I can muddle my way through this week somehow.
Nice to catch up on how everyone is.
Hope everyone’s feeling as well as possible 😘 xxx
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I agree that Days 5-9 have been the worst on the Docetaxel, particularly in relation to the bone pain, and that everything feels better once the filgrastim injections are done. I am on Day 12 and now feeling pretty OK, although still having occasional episodes of loose stools/speeded up digestive transit for which I am taking the loperamide my unit provided.
The team who are looking after you sound similar to mine - I have a consultant oncologist, a consultant surgeon, and a breast care nurse who links everything together. I had an initial appointment with the surgeon in July, at which point she booked me in for an appointment on 28 November to discuss the surgery. At this point I should be just over one week after my final chemo session, if everything goes to plan. I think that I will only get the surgery date on 28 November, but I understand that it should be in December and that it will probably be about 4 weeks after the final chemo. Given that this takes us to Christmas week, though, I’m not sure what will happen! I would ideally like to get the op over before the end of the year, as I am supposed to be going back to work at the start of February, but I will just have to go with the flow. Hopefully we will both get our dates sorted out in due course, and will be able to plan better for Christmas.
I hope that everyone on the thread is well, and enjoying the evening.
I see that you will be having your first Docetaxel next week, and I’ll be having my second one (plus the Herceptin and Perjeta) next Wednesday. I felt exactly like you before my first one, as I had got used to the ups and downs of the EC, and knew roughly what the treatment cycle would bring, but was apprehensive of the new regime and side effects.
I am now on Day 12 after the first Docetaxel, and am feeling OK but have had a few points where I have had rough side effects over the period of Days 5-9. Nausea/sickness have not been a problem, and I really hope that you will not have them either - my chemo unit told me that Docetaxel is less likely to produce these effects than EC, but that it does tend to hit the digestive tract lower down in the form of diarrhoea (they gave me a box of loperamide as a precaution). I have found that they were right - I have had a few bouts of loose stools which have been a bit annoying as they are unpredictable. The loperamide has sorted them out, though, although I am not sure how long through the cycle I will need to take it (I’ve been taking 1-2 tablets per day over the past couple of days). The other side effect which I have had is the bone pain, which hit around Day 5 in the middle of the night and was quite bad, but which subsided after I took paracetamol. It then was OK for a couple of days, and came back in the night around Day 8. It seems have gone completely now, particularly as the filgrastim injections are finished. I haven’t had a woozy head feeling at all with the Docetaxel, and seem to have felt less physically tired than on the EC, so some things have been better.
Like you, I am hoping to enjoy the next few days and get out to a few places with friends before the next treatment cycle starts. I hope that you have a good time meeting up with your friends, and that Docetaxel is kind to you!
Awww Em, there’s nothing worse than feeling sick is there! Really hope Shi’s advice works for you 🤞
Starting to dread next week already, I’m starting on docetaxol so feel like I’m starting from the beginning, I haven’t got any idea of what to expect really, I know it makes your bones hurt, I’m hoping that I can swap the nausea for that awful Side effect, I’ll be gutted if I get both!! How is the sickness for everyone else on that drug?? black cat??
Anyway, I’m going to enjoy this week, meeting friends etc while round 4 is looming in the background.
Realky hope everyone is well xxxxx
Thank you Shi will definitely ask about that...the sickness really gets to me, it’s like a scene from the bloody exorcist, so anything to make it a bit easier xxx
Em have they tried you on akynzeo? I had to take that 1 hour before chemo then after meds were metrochloptomide (excuse my spelling) you’ve mentioned it below. Might be worth asking 😘it worked well for me that combination sending 👭👭💪💪💪💕💕✨✨Shi xx