It certainly is a difficult time isn't it, you can be on the up steaming along then the rug gets pulled from under your feet. Maybe the sore throat had got a bit more of a hold than you thought and the antibiotics knocked you for 6, that coupled with the lower white cells has given your system a bit of a battering. But happily you have come through it. At least if you decide to write your first week off, it'll be a bonus if you have a good week and if not you'd at least prepared for it. It's such a crap time isn't it, but onwards and upwards we will do this, we will get through.
I'm glad your hair has stopped shedding as much and crossing my fingers that the cold cap continues to work for you. Hold onto the thought that every cycle completed in one nearer the end, it does seem never ending but it will come.
Mangomum - I hope your 2nd FEC went well today and you have minimal side effects - hopefully none!, you deserve a break this time around.
Keep as well as possible ladies
I’m a week post my second FEC and it’s been so different this time. I was great for a couple of days and then it hit me like a sledgehammer! I’m now turning a corner and back to watching tv and doing a couple of jobs round the house but it’s been a real shock and I was so close to just not wanting to do it again. I think it’s so hard to get yourself out of it when you’re in that horrible place-it seems never ending. The weather has been awful and in a way that’s helped because I don’t feel like I’ve been missing out!
I’ve resigned myself to thinking now that I might as well write off the first week and just accept that that’s the way it’s going to be for me. I can hopefully plan for the other two weeks and look forward to doing some nice things.
I’ve been doing the cold cap and I was so upset when my hair started to fall out but it seems to have calmed down a bit now. It’s a bit thinner than it was but you wouldn’t know if you didn’t know me-keeping my fingers crossed 🤞.
I’ve also been on antibiotics as a precaution for a sore throat. I think that’s probably added to me feeling so unwell.
Anyway, I hope you’re all as well as you can be. I keep having to tell myself that I’m a third through and try and look forward to life after chemo but it’s not easy.
I hope you all all get more good days than bad days.
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Thanks Joemic and Mangomum
I'll keep everything crossed for your treatment today Mangomum hope it goes well and you stay well this time🤞🤞. We will get through this with positive thinking and accepting support when we need to. Take care
Sending a big hug and hoping you feel better soon. I have my second round of Fec today after my stint in hospital and dreading it too!! Apart from wrapping ourselves up in cling film and wearing mask or never leaving the house or letting anyone in, we are unfortunately all at the mercy of everyday bugs our bodies would otherwise fight off. My oncologist said it is days 7 - 9 that the white cells really drop the most unfortunately right at the time we start feeling better 🙄. It sounds like they caught it early and found the source swiftly. I wasn't allowed home until my white blood count was back to normal.
Take care and you will bounce back from this.
Good luck to everybody else too. We can do this set backs and all!!
Sorry to hear you've had a rubbish time of it this time Rose but pleased to hear you're on the mend again.
I suppose it's difficult to determine whether you got the chest infection due to chemo or it was just an unfortunate coincidence but the main thing is you caught it in time and are on the road to recovery.
Take it easy and rest when you need to
Hoping everyone is well.
I'm finally starting to feel a bit more human again after my 2nd EC last week. Unfortunately I got a chest infection which coupled with the tiredness has made for an awful week! I ended up in A&E having a sepsis screen and IV antibiotics but thankfully didnt have to stay in and was allowed home with oral antibiotics. They seen to be doing the trick now apart from making me feel a bit sick and giving me the runs!! My first chemo was so straight forward I just expected the same this time so it's been a bit of a shock. I'm already dreading the next one although I know it will be different again. I really hate being dependant on people and not being able to do every day things like cooking and keeping the house tidy all I've done is sleep for the past 4 days!
Well that's enough of my moaning for today. Hope everyone else has been keeping well hopefully we will get some sunshine soon to cheer us all up it looks like November outside not June here! 🤞🌞 Take care
Good evening May ladies
It's a little quiet on here at the moment - I hope everyone is steaming ahead with very few irritating side effects. I've just been a bit tired this time, which is exactly how I was when I also had bisphosphonate the last time, hopefully the tiredness won't last long - mind you with the rainy weather outside a few days lazing around wouldn't hurt
Good luck to all who are having treatment this week and speedy recoveries for those who are battling those side effects.
Hi Bananabrain, sorry to hear you've been a bit rough but pleased to hear your mood has lifted now, it's hard when it hits but feels much better after. Funnily enough I had craving for salty food after my 2nd EC, I even started adding it to my food and have never done that for over 20 years! Eating loads of salted peanuts and salt & vinegar crisps too as well as adding it to my salads, not a good addition to my diet. Found it lasted a week and a half until it suddenly stopped and i reverted back to my usual of not using salt. I can't say it was due to my taste buds as luckily I've had no difficulties there. I think it may have been due to my increase in fluids messing with my natural salt levels, whatever it was I'm back to normal now.
I'm with you on the wigs front, i've got a pink one and a blue one, had a few nice comments on the blue one when I went out - never had them with my normal hair LOL. Trouble is when you start looking there's loads of nice coloured ones to buy...it'll cost a fortune to buy them all but like you i'm looking for my next to add to my collection. It freaks hubby out when he goes in the bedroom and they're on the wig stands - not that I don't add faces and things just to freak him out more a girls gotta have some fun
Glad to hear they had at least one boob for you hope it doesn't take too long for the other to arrive otherwise you'll have poked holes in the one you already got
Have a great weekend sourcing new wigs, don't forget the wig shampoo just to add to the expense
SP - I might have sounded calm but believe me I wasn't, it really knocked me out of sorts, it disrupted my routine of eating and drinking plus taking my meds - I plan my timings carefully because I'm convinced it helps me wìth side effects - might not but it helps me focus my mind prior to chemo to stop me worrying too much. I'd calmed down by the time I posted last night
Have a lovely rest of the weekend and good luck to anyone having treatment next week and may we all stay as side effect free as possible.
Hi guys, glad to hear everyone is doing so well.
On the healthy eating front, when I asked the oncologist what I should be eating, he said "whatever makes you feel good." Which was exactly the answer I wanted to hear! So I have to say veggie juices are definitely not on my menu! I do find I'm always hungry though. The nurse said it was probably down to the steroids but that seems unlikely to me as I've only taken steroids for 3 days after chemo and I accidentally took half my recommended dose this time round anyway. I'm really craving strong, salty food (I guess because I can't taste so well) and am absolutely loving salad and especially tomatoes.
I had a miserable few days after my last FEC - I'm not sure why as the nausea was not as bad as my first one. Just spent a lot of time feeling weepy and tired and generally sorry for myself. After a few days my mood lifted loads and I'm feeling fine now.
I think I have a new obsession - wigs! I really love my wig and am contemplating keeping my hair dead short when it grows back and wearing wigs to suit my mood. I'm about to order a lovely pastel blue one. Been spending so much time on Youtube looking at wig reviews. I really like the idea of being able to switch up my hairstyle and colour whenever I want. It is going to be a very expensive new hobby!
Got fitted for my new fake boob the other day. They only had one in my size and have had to order another one in so atm I'm wearing my new silicone one on one side and my softee on the other. The silicone one feels very realistic - in fact I keep poking each boob to feel the difference - keeps me busy 😁
Hope everyone has a great weekend xx
So pleased it went well and you are officially half way through! Fingers crossed for an uneventful 3 weeks with any side effects.
Well done for coping with the last minute changes to your chemo times yesterday! You did well to stay calm. I had a similar problem last treatment and it really wound me up.
Well, I’ve now tried some different vegetable juices and they all look and taste revolting!!! Today’s involved carrot, spinach and celery, sweetened with pear......not to be recommended!! My vegetable consumption from now on will be eaten!! My efforts have been in vain!! Maybe it’s my taste buds at the moment but I can’t cope with anything weird! Ho hum....
Good evening May ladies
I had my 3rd EC yesterday, I got a phone call at 1.20 saying I was due for my chemo, yes I said, oh you should have been here at 12.40, really my appt card says 3.10. Can you get here as soon as? yes of course I will. So duly took my meds, fair ran up there in 10 mins but still had to wait another 45 mins to give my meds time to work, I could've took my time instead of rushing but hey ho things happen. Anyway I was hot and had my hand wrapped in a 2 gloves so when they came to insert the canula there was no problem, it was a different vein to the last 2 which I was pleased about as it is rather sore. Only suffered a bit of indigestion last night, so so far so good, time will tell.
Ruth - I absolutely love your child's remark - out of the mouths of babes, but on a positive note it must be a relief to know that they are not worrying. You'll get there with the headgear in the end, just think we might get it sussed then the weather will change and the headgear too, mind you I've got enough different types to get me through the next few years.
Becky - I hope your chemo went ok yesterday and you have very minimal side effects.
SP - I've been told that if you mix mint with carrots and kale it's doesn't taste too bad - it's not something I would like to try - I love my veg but the thought of it pureed doesn't appeal, I think it's the texture that puts me off. But all credit to you for giving it a go, you might find a palatable combination eventually, good luck
Ilovehunny - Baby shampoo is a gentle option, I think head and shoulders can be a bit harsh, I'm only saying that as when I took my daughter to have her hair dyed the hairdresser advised against washing with head and shoulders as it would strip the colour out a lot quicker - I wasn't aware of that!.
Keep well ladies and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Lovely to hear everyone's updates and tips.
Welcome Becky glad you have found the group I'm sure you will find it helpful even though we are all at different stages of treatment and on different chemo regimens. I do understand your feelings of anxiety I had my 2nd EC chemo on Tuesday and was really worried even though the 1st had gone well with minimal side effects but it went well and so far I still feel really well. I know Macmillan do offer 1:1 counselling support if your anxiety doesn't improve they might be able to help?
Fingers crossed for yours and Joemics treatments tomorrow 🤞🤞xx
Sorry to hear your treatment was delayed Mangomum I know we all just want to get through this all as quick as we can but have to trust in our oncology teams to do what's best for us I'm still trying to get my head around having the 8 cycles of chemo before the surgery even though the surgeon and the oncologist both explained why it was done that way with my type of cancer.
I saw the ongologist this week I asked about nutritional supplements but she said she just recommended healthy eating lots of water and exercise but to take a multivitamin if chemo was affecting appetite. She said some people might be advised to take added vitamin d if they were on other chemo routines but not needed for my 4 cycles of EC and then 4 cycles of doxecetal, perjeta and herceptin.
I'm definitely getting used to my wig now but do like the look of the fringe hairband as think it will be cooler with a scarf now the weathers warming up a bit!! 🌞
Take care everyone
Love Rose xx
I had my second cycle of FEC today and it’s a lot different from my first. My first one was grim and I had side effects almost immediately so I was nervous about today but it has been a lot different. I had my anti sickness drugs through my IV which may have made a difference. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that I’ll be better this time and that it won’t be as much of a shock to my body. At the moment I’m eating biscuits every 5 minutes which isn’t good for me but when you feel like this I think you just have to eat what you can manage. Weirdly I was craving lots of salad on my last cycle which was good so I’ve got a lot of that in. I’ve also got a mouthwash and lemon sherbet sweets ready for when my mouth starts to feel gacky. There’s also a spray which you can get from your gp to help with a dry mouth and I found that helped.
I hope everyone else’s next cycles go ok-I feel like I’ve learnt a lot since my last one so hopefully I’ll be a lot more prepared now moving forward but as others have said, no two cycles are the same.
On the hair front, I’ve been using the cold cap but at the moment I think it’s a bit too early to say whether it’s working. My hair has been falling out quite a bit over the last few days but it’s still looking as it was post treatment. Out of interest, what shampoo are people using? I’ve used head and shoulders and a handmade natural one but I’m only washing my hair twice a week and combing it with a wide tooth comb. I suppose it’s inevitable that some hair will fall out but we’ll wait and see if it all goes.
Have a a good weekend everyone.
i hope everyone is having a good day and sending positive vibes for those of you going again tomorrow (😘)
It certainly is not easy continually replacing one worry with the next! I am the same, I thought once the first one was over I would know what to expect for the next 2 and this was some comfort (as I am a planner) but realising each one could be different then changing drugs doesn’t let us settle.
I take a lot of comfort from hearing everyone’s progress and shared experiences and tips. SP I am inspired by your eating ethos, I had slipped a little, justifying eating whatever I fancied but in the long run this won’t make me feel better, so back to the healthier options.
In terms of headwear - I got the fake fringe from Hats4heads, they seem to have good range of a few options on here, but this is the link to the fringes:
I am going to close shave the rest of mine tomorrow night, so will look into the bamboo caps, as it feels a waste not to try with the wig again.
On a lighter note, the school have offered my 2 the option of writing a worry book, to help them with any worries they have, and yesterday during tea, my youngest asked me to contact school to tell them ‘I’m not worried about you now as I have been asked to do tag rugby and that this taking up all of my mind”
So it’s good to know where this fits in the grand scheme of things 😀
lots of love Ruth
Welcome our group. Joemic is right in what she says. It is perfectly normal to get anxious prior to your chemotherapy treatment. I’m sure that this happens to everyone, regardless of where you are in your treatment. The problem is that you just don’t know how your body is going to react each time. It never seems to be the same.
I am also on 3 lots of EC. I have my 3rd treatment next Friday, if my white blood cells are ok. I will then have 9 weekly doses of Taxol. No Carboplatin for me as I’m not BRCA 1 or 2. So there are similarities. However, I’ve already had my mastectomy so the chemo is an added extra to hopefully prevent recurrence. I thought I was done after surgery but this wretched disease has a way of repeatedly hitting you with something. It really is a roller coaster of emotions and side effects. But, as this thread proves, we are all coping with what is thrown at us and you will too.....and we are here to help if we can....
The trick is to stay positive. Make yourself believe that each treatment is helping your body rid itself of cancer cells. Do everything you can to rid your body of toxins after each chemo so then you will cope better with the side effects eg. Drink LOTS of water, walk every day, eat healthy, nutritious food, rest to help your body recover. It is coping with a lot.
On the wig discussion....I have bought a bamboo wig cap that goes under the wig. It helps your scalp to breathe so you don’t get as hot, plus it makes the wig more comfortable. It really does work for me so was worth the investment.
I am Mrs Healthy Eating but that doesn’t always mean I succeed in my efforts. A friend advised me to have a vegetable juice each day to increase the antioxidants in my body. This apparently helps with the chemo side effects. The same friend loaned me a very posh juicer to try as I didn’t want to buy one of I can’t cope with the results. Now, I like vegetables but I have now made two different vegetable juices and I can honestly say that they are disgusting!!! My husband says they look like swamp water....and they taste pretty much like this too!!! I’m trying to find a combination of veg that is vaguely palatable! I suspect that the juicer will be returned very soon......ah well....I tried!!
Don't worry, we all get anxious before our chemo and I'm certainly no different, I suppose we worry because although we've already had some we are still unsure how the next dose will affect us. It's toxic stuff and to be honest I think we will always be anxious prior to each dose, I think anxiety and worry is unfortunately part and parcel of this dreaded disease; if you're anything like me once I've sorted one thing and breathe a sigh of relief, I immediately replace it with another worry. I suspect that practically everybody else on here is the same, we've all been knocked for six and our worlds been turned upside down but we WILL, including you, prevail. Tomorrows treatment will go well for both of us. Keep talking and if you have any worries at anytime let us know and we will all try and help.
I'm on 3 cycles of EC followed by paclitaxel and carboplatin. It's for a small lump but pre-surgery because it's triple negative breast cancer and grade three. Yes I love my wig and have also had comments I never had with my own hair. Love the sound of your wigs! I've gone for something similar to my own hair, but it's like a better version.
Thank you for your welcome.
I'm starting to get nervous about second chemotherapy tomorrow. I was so anxious last time but thought I'd be ok after having it but I'm still feeling anxious.
Glad to have made you laugh, this darn BC and chemo takes its toll on us so it's good to find things to laugh at. Speaking of laughing; I went out with my manager and ex manager tonight in my blue wig (giving the blue rinse brigade a run for their money) a man came up to me and said he loved the colour of my hair, very striking and that my hair cut really suited me didn't have the heart to say it was a wig, especially when he turned to his wife/partner and asked her to think of having hers dyed the same colour oops, wonder if he'd have liked my pink wig as much. Funny really I had a few positive comments about it, never had any with my real hair
No, my chemo regime is the same throughout 6 x EC, just hope the rest are like my first 2. Asked when the rest of my hair would fall out as I expected to be totally bald by now and was told I might not lose any more, I was a bit stunned as I was told I would lose it all. Suppose I will have to wait and see.
I hope your blood sorts itself out, I can feel your frustration just wanting to crack on, I would feel exactly the same, it always seems to be waiting for something on this journey doesn't it. Hold on in there you will get there in the end. I'll keep my fingers and legs firmly crossed for you.
Hello and welcome Becky, glad to hear you are having minimal side effects and I hope it continues that way for you. What regime are you on?, I had my 2nd on the 17th and it'll be my 3rd on Friday. Wigs are great aren't they - you can be whoever you want to be, I got my nhs wig which is identical to my hair before it fell out and a pink wig and a blue wig off ebay for fun - still deciding if I want another, possibly purple or a brown one with different coloured highlights just for a change, also got scarves, hats and beanies so I've got a choice.
Ooh Sewbuddy your toes sound painful and the thought of toenails lifting off, I really hope they don't cause you problems. You'll have to let us know how you get on with making your headgear, I've thought of it myself but haven't got further than that. Good luck with staying at work for as long as you can, I'm sure it's doing your mental wellbeing good, we all need things to do that to help us through this tough journey.
Well ladies I hope the rest of the week goes well for everyone and for those who are having another treatment this week.
Welcome to the group becky.j.bevan. It sounds like you have had a good start, glad you like the wig, some of us are struggling to find comfortable and flattering headgear! I have ordered some fabric and a pattern to have a go at making my own.
RuthGr, glad to hear you're coming out of the fog! I'm still a little immersed but did go to work today. Once the hair stops coming out the soreness goes away, I still have a fine fuzz but it is no longer tender and sore. I have not bought a fringe but it sounds like a great idea, where did you get it?
Joemic, 🤣🤣 your top tip made me laugh, that's not something we will learn from the text books! It's really nice that your manager is taking the time to keep you involved. I hope your meeting with the onco went well and that you can go ahead with the milestone chemo on Friday.
Mangomum, such a shame that you had to postpone. I hope you are feeling really well and can enjoy a week with your family.
The tingling is back in my toes with a vengeance today and I am sure my big toe nails are starting to lift off 😮so sandals from now on for me, glad it isn't winter!
Wishing you all a good night's sleep and minimal side effects
Hello everyone, I have just found this group. I had my first chemotherapy on 17th May, second one this Friday. Side effects been minimal so far and I've been able to keep working. Hair started to fall out last week so had it shaved at the weekend but love my wig. Best wishes to you all x
Good luck for tomorrow and for Friday 🍀Hope you stay well and thank you for making me laugh with your top tips ( or bottom tips) 😂. Will you change regime after this one to docetaxel ? I saw my oncologist yesterday and advised to have a weeks break as although my infection markers are right down my white bloods are now high ( I can't win) At least they are working again after being at zero. I feel at this rate I'm never going to get to the middle let alone the end!
Great to hear everyone is managing fairly well with their regimes. It's my Onco appt tomorrow prior to 3rd chemo friday, hopefully all bloods ok so I can crack on with this, it'll be my half way point so am looking forward to getting it out of the way.
I don't know if it will help anybody losing their hair but when I had mine shaved I noticed that as long as the remaining hair was smoothed in the direction your hair usually grows it stopped being sore, I also washed my hair by making sure I only did it in the direction of my hairs natural growth, rinsed and patted it dry the same way. I made sure whenever I took my wig or beanies off I smoothed it down - no discomfort since. Although I've lost an awful lot of hair I've still got a covering, it's very white now; I thought I would have been totally bald now so am just hoping that if it decides not to fall out totally it doesn't decide to do it after my chemo finishes, I'm prepared for it now but I don't think I will be then.
I'm going to lower the tone a bit now but top tip, if you've lost your pubic hair be careful when your using public toilets as it can get a bit wet when you hover over the loo - luckily I sussed it before I needed wellies; oh the joys of chemo.
Hope everyone has a good week with no nasty side effects, I'm going out for tea with my manager and ex manager tomorrow, although I'm not working at the moment we still like to keep in touch and I appreciate the fact that they take the time to do this every 3 weeks it stops feelings of work isolation.
Good Morning Ladies
I am coming out the other side of the brain fog since Fridays’ EC. Had a good nights sleep so now feel more human again.
i have tried to catch up with everyone’s progress and what is positive is that we all seem to be finding ways to deal with the challenges, you are all really inspiring. 👏👏👏
it it might have been a coincidence but this weekend saw bald patches spreading, I look like one of the very early chicks in Springwatch (tufts etc) but I am very head sore so finding washing it a struggle. I think I will feel happier with it once it’s all gone this in between stage is not the best. I will try the suggested focus on my face.
I also ordered a fringe attached to a headband, which should sit under hats/beanies etc technique needs some work 😀.
lots of love to all
Hi SP, I forgot to mention the vein issue. My vein was still tender today so they used the other vein on the back of my hand, the only other option for me. The nurse said it is hopeful that we can alternate them as they then have 6 weeks to heal. Although I didn't feel any discomfort through treatment this time, since I've come home the vein looks to have collapsed and is quite tender again.
Hope yours heal quickly xx
I hope your treatment went well today Mangomum, my own went smoothly but I reacted quicker, felt very light headed during treatment and a wave of extreme tiredness for the next 2 hours. Then mildish nausea. I took DOMPERIDONE then made myself eat a meal - feel much better now😁 I hope the cold cap works for you..
I totally get the whole 'hate looking in mirror' thing, I am forcing myself everytime to drag my focus away from my head and look into my eyes, then smile. It really is still us looking back 😍
Louise, I have not noticed anyone mentioning this before, wrre you told why? I don't know if it is relevant but my oncologist told me the T doses are harsher on your finger and toe nails. Maybe message one of the nurses on the forum.
Good night all, hope you all get a good night sleep xxx
Did anyone have Docetaxel first - as opposed to after FEC?
If so, did your hair fall out? And how long before it started to do so
Hi lovely ladies,
After my windy days on the beach my head became very tender Saturday night and I started shedding quite a lot of hair. Yesterday I shredded loads - but all over and it felt really uncomfortable /prickly. This was day 20 so quite late in the cycle! Today it has calmed down and I took the plunge to gently wash it and its still mostly there but thinned out all over. I'm going to try the cap again tomorrow, but I think this Fec is really harsh on our hair so I'm not holding breath it works this time after how much came out yesterday!
I have a wig coming next week anyway and I have a turban / beanie just in case.
Sounds like every one is getting to grips with the hair loss and wearing whatever makes them comfortable /feel good and I admire all your positive attitudes and funny stories 😊. I know if I have to I can do this!
My main concern is staying out of hospital this time and actually having a whole week at home feeling well with my kids etc.
Good luck everyone!
Good morning ladies, I hope everyone has enjoyed a lovely weekend. Its round 2 of Me-v-C today - let the battle commence! I definitely feel like I won round 1 on points lol. Its great news that you kept the mouth soreness at bay SP, I had 2days with a sore tongue but was only mild, I took your advice with salt water and it went away. I also had a problem with my vein, it started getting painful when the nurse syringed the drug in. I called the chemo unit after a week as it was very painful along the length of the vein, from just after my wrist up to half way up my upper arm. I was told to use hit water bottle and rub ibuprofen gel on it. It is still tender in my forearm so I will let you know if we have to use a different vein today. I had axillary clearance of lymph nodes so cannot use my other arm.
I had been wearing a thin tube of fabric over my head/neck, topped with a pretty silk scarf at work, I was so hot when I left so in the car I whipped off the base layer and just put the silk scarf over my head - it felt lovely but as I was driving with the window open the scarf blew off into the back of the car, so I had my first 'bald in public' experience!
Joemic thanks for your kind words xx my newest head wear is so far my favourite - it is like a wide soft Alice band with a long chiffon scarf attached that you tie into a bow. I bought it for £2 on Wish but it took weeks to come! They are available on Amazon and ebay etc.
Rose2020, I don't use social media either but totally agree it is so nice to hear everyone's experiences in 'real time', glad your wig fitting went well x
Mangomum, I've got everything crossed for your blood result today, I'm sure you won't want to be postponing your chemo. I do hope it goes ahead and that you don't get an infection again! Some time away must have been lovely, I hope you get to do it again. Hopefully your cold cap will be successful, it seems to have worked so far as most of us are now baldies. I have a mole with a few stubborn hairs left, I habe adopted the name 'Baldilocks and the 3 hairs' haha.
Good luck with treatments and symptoms this week ladies xxxx
Just wanted to share that I’ve NOT had mucositis this weekend!! This was the weekend when it was so bad on the 1st cycle!! I’ve kept the salt water mouthwashes going and taken Vit C and it seems to have worked!! Amazing that such a simple thing can make such a difference? I’m chuffed as a burning mouth is truly horrible! This weekend I’ve walked 4 miles both days. This definitely helps to reduce any fatigue.
My sleep pattern is non existent just after a chemo treatment so I am awake a lot in the night. Does anyone else get this? It steadily improves after about a week so now I’m getting longer periods of sleep, which helps. This cycle, the vein which was used for the cannula is aching. I think it’s been damaged by the dreaded Epirubicin? Has anyone had this too? I can only hope it heals over time. I need to get the nurses to use a different vein next time? I had a left mastectomy and sentinel node biopsy. The chemo nurses are only using my right arm but, if the consultant gives authorization, they say they can use my left arm, as I haven’t had any additional lymph nodes removed? So, it’s on my list to ask next time!
I also only wear my wig in short bursts. I definitely think that the bamboo caps and hats are the ones to go for as they are super soft! When I’m walking, I wear these. At home I brave the bald head....until the doorbell goes when I’m panicked into pulling something on my head...sometimes it’s at a weird, jaunty angle as I open the door?! It is upsetting when your hair falls out in handfuls so I agree that getting it clipped mega short or shaved is the best thing to do emotionally. However, I now hate looking at myself in the mirror. I simply don’t recognise the reflection as me and it is a shock every time...
Hope we all have a good week.
Great to hear everyone seems to be doing well so far.
Thanks Dapple, I think I'm going to give them a swing.
Sewbuddy - It is a shock when your hair falls out suddenly but like you say it's strange that when we decide to shave we get a bit of control back - much needed to keep the spirits up I think. I got one of the bamboo wig caps and to be honest I found it much hotter than the nylon one. My scalp and the wig cap was sopping wet when I took it off, an uncomfortable feeling. Nowadays I only wear my wig for short outings and can't wait to take my hair off when I get home and put my beanie on. I'm still rubbish at tying scarves, no matter how many times I watch you tube at this rate my hair will have grown back by the time I manage to make a decent job I hope you manage to stay at work if it's helping you cope. Good luck for Monday, I hope it goes well for you.
Mangomum - I'm pleased you managed to have a couple of days away and it lifted your spirits - good stuff. Pleased to hear your hair didn't blow off in the wind, that would have been interesting at least it entertained your girls. Good luck for your 2nd on Monday, I hope it goes well for you too.
Rose - It's good to hear that you had a positive wig fitting experience, it makes all the difference, I wait to see what little gem of a wig experience you have, I haven't whipped mine off in the supermarket since, mind you I think people just think I'm barking because I'm chanting don't forget you've got your wig on all the way around, silently of course but I guess my lips must still be moving. I agree it's difficult being away from work but console myself with the fact that if I concentrate on keeping as well as possible I'll be back sooner which I am looking forward too.
Wishing everyone positive experiences for the coming week
Hi Joemic (and everyone else!) Just dipping in quickly to the thread this time but saw your question about vitamin d supplement Joemic and I can help with this - asked my oncologist on Thursday if ok to take them and she said absolutely fine. Take care everyone xx
Lovely to hear everyone's updates I've never been one for Facebook or social media but it does really help reading about all your experiences and tips on here as at home I want to keep things as normal as possible and not be talking about treatments and side effects all the time.
I'm glad you're recovering from your infection Mangomum 7 days in hospital must have been awful for you. I know what you mean about work I too was advised to go on sick leave as I work with children but I really miss it I can't believe I'm saying that as all we talked about was retirement when I was there! I really miss having a purpose every day and seeing all my work friends. Talking to the consultant last week she said prepare to be off work for a year to get through the chemo, surgery and radiotherapy I will just have to find some hobbies as life until now has always revolved around work and family.
I too am now without hair! I was lucky to have a really good wig fitting experience in a salon near me run by a lady who had chemo herself 2 years ago. She made what I was expecting to a difficult experience into quite a positive one I definitely feel more like me again with some hair on my head! Everyones stories about whipping off wigs in the supermarket or holding on to them in the wind have made me laugh I'm sure there will be more funny stories before we get our hair back!
Good luck to all for the next week
Love Rose x
Hi Sewbuddy and everyone,
You sound like you started the same day as me! I'm due my 2nd fec on Monday although I'm still on oral antibiotics for my infection so not sure what my bloods will be like! Seeing the oncologist first thing on Monday so hopefully it will go ahead. I'm feeling fine and haven't had any high temps since leaving hospital on Monday. We had a couple of days away with the kids to the New Forest which really helped me feel better and will try to do that each cycle all being well. I too didn't suffer with sickness or too many side effects until I started with flu like symptoms on day 7. I took my temp and it was 38 so on advice from the oncologist went to A&E where I was admitted and ended up staying nearly a week! I did use the cold cap and touch wood so far no hair loss on my head although I have shed from other areas. It was windy on the beach yesterday and I forgot my hat so all I kept saying to hubby was " I hope my hair doesnt blow off" my girls thought it was hilarious watching me trying to cover my hair so the wind didn't snatch it. That night it felt quite tender but it's still all there!
I have a wig booked and some scarfs too but I can imagine the warm weather will make this uncomfortable. I think it's great you have managed to work and don't think you are a martyr in doing so. Trying to feel /keeping things the same if you can makes all the difference. I was signed off straight away as I work with children in a large school - but not working has made me feel out of sorts and guilty. I get lots of messages and updates but knowing they are covering my workload adds to the stress. Fingers crossed for next week.
Hi everyone, it's great to hear that many of you are doing well after your 2nd chemo. Some interesting discussion about diet and supplements. I had a message on another thread some time ago from nutritional therapist who recommended certain foods and also a link to a study of different foods and there effect on different cancers. I will try and find it and put the link on here.
I shaved my head on bank holiday Monday after a rather distressing couple of days - I had my hair cut short on the Thursday as I had two big family celebrations to attend on Sat and Mon. Friday my hair suddenly started to come out in tufts! I tried to use hair spray to keep it in place for the Saturday event - just about got away with it but at work Sunday it was falling out badly. By the Monday event I had a large bald patch on top with only a tuft of fringe, I tied a scarf over it and got hubby to shave when I got in. I thought I was mentally prepared but was not expecting it to happen so suddenly. Once I shaved I felt much more in control again. A week later and I am completely bald. I am wearing scarves etc but boy are they uncomfortable - my head gets so hot and itchy. I tried on some wigs but they felt tight and uncomfortable too. Think I might try some bamboo head gear, I've heard they are softer and cooler.
How are you getting on with your nail regime SP? My finger nails seem OK so far but I have 2 toenails going blue. My oncologist said I will lose them after my next chemo. It sounds like you had an awful day for your chemo but I'm glad your side effects are not too bad. Fingers crossed your salt water keeps the soreness at bay.
Over the weeks I only had 3days sick from work, my onc doubts if I can maintain that through the next two rounds!! I have booked a few days holiday in the middle week this time for a rest. So we will see. Although it's tiring it helps me to not dwell on symptoms etc, it's not right for everyone I know and I'm not trying to be a martyr- I certainly won't put my health at risk. Kelly P, commuting is not good, enclosed space with unknown germs floating about is risky.
Bananabrain, I watched a few of the 'you, me and big c' it was very relatable and broached subjects that we maybe don't discuss with our family and friends.
Joemic, I am going to the Headstrong session on 10th, but I'm learning lots from you tube too as I need it now. The look good feel better course will be a few weeks away and yes I believe you are right, mainly make up. But I have been more concerned about losing my eyelashes and eyebrows than my hair lol. I am guilty of always putting my face on before going out so I think I will enjoy it.
I wish you all a lovely weekend, and hope no one has any nasty side effects to deal with. Xx I have my 2nd FEC on Monday.
Glad to hear things are going well for you and any side effects are being well managed by meds. Hoping your sickness doesn't kick in this time Ruth - I'm so grateful that it hasn't affected me so far.
Mominette, Dapple, Ilovehunny, Kelly, Louise and Sewbuddy - I hope your chemo regimes are being kind to you and you are not suffering from any nasty effects.
Enjoy the weekend everyone - they say it's changing for the worse again next week
Good news SP, I’m so glad your side effects have reduced.
i have just got home from my 2nd EC, hoping the sickness doesn’t kick in (4pm last time) but have planned for it and eaten far less this time. I am also trying seabands, so I will let you know if they appear to have any effect.
the weather forecast is good for the weekend, so I hope everyone manages to have a lovely side effect free weekend.
Just thought I’d touch base to let you know that I’ve survived this week post 2nd chemo!! The side effects have been milder in that I’ve had less nausea ( new anti sickness meds), which is positive! I did have two days when I could have slept for England and fell asleep everywhere! This was probably brought on by the fact that my nightly sleep pattern is all over then place, so I’m not getting as much sleep each night.....think my body needed to catch up on some recovery time?
I started back on the salt water mouthwashes this week, in the hope that this would stave off the dreaded mucositis.....so far, I’m ok!!! Good old salt water is my new best friend!!! I’ve also been taking Vit C as I’ve been told that this helps with mouth problems.
I am using a hand and cuticle balm at night to hopefully avoid split nails etc. Thought I’d share that I bought some silk “moisturising” gloves to wear in bed, which allow the balm to soak in and not rub off. They are really comfortable and my fingers are definitely softer for doing it! Got them from Amazon as they had better reviews than the cheap, cotton gloves, which can apparently be tight.
Hope everyone is coping? Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint and each cycle is definitely a roller coaster of physical and emotional symptoms. Unfortunately, I’ve been here before, so know from experience that staying positive is half the battle. I keep telling myself that my 3rd EC chemo is a milestone as then I’m done with the hand syringed cherryade!! I’ll be half way done?! That will surely be cause for celebration.....??
Good afternoon ladies
Ruth - Glad your wig debut went well - much better than my first time, I was in the supermarket when I got really hot, momentarily forgot where I was and whipped my wig off, I don't know who was more embarrassed me or the man next to me, he recovered well and said gee I wish I could cool off like that, we both laughed and I beat a hasty retreat, I won't be doing that again let me tell you. I now wear a sunhat on top of my wig - looks lovely. Don't think I'll ever get over it and am just glad I've never seen him again since. Good luck for your 2nd chemo tomorrow, I hope it goes smooth for you.
Rose - Don't worry it wont happen to you, you've got way more sense than me. I bet by the end of chemo, we'll all have some funny/embarrassing stories on our wig wearing escapades, at least it'll prove BC is not all doom and gloom. Must admit I've got 3 teenagers who between them have managed to age me quite a bit, it's hard going but I wouldn't change them. I'm getting my own back a bit cos I've also got a pink wig and a blue wig, it's amusing seeing how embarrassed they are when I'm wearing them - well that was until their friends told them how cool I was, never thought that would happen, trouble is they are now genuinely telling me which other colours would suit me, I only wore them for a laugh but they seem to have made it their mission to choose me the best wig. At least no one is embarrassed about my hair loss now. They are all taking bets on how my hair will grow back once chemo has finished.
I wish all who are having treatment this week a smooth, minimal side effect time and for those who have just had theirs I hope you are recovering well with minimal upset. We can and will get through this
Enjoy the rest of the week
Bananabrain - Glad your wig wearing went well in the wind and stayed put. It must have been so difficult for you when your mum had cancer and then to find yourself in the same position years later, life can be so cruel sometimes. It's great to hear you have had very little side effects from your 2nd cycle, I hope this continues for you - it makes the burden of chemo a little easier to bear.
Hi all 😊 Nice to hear how everyone is doing.
Joemic - that's so lovely that your daughter was able to open up a bit from your trip to the hairdressers. I think it is really hard for teenagers especially as they have so much going on in their lives anyway and they're not always the best at expressing how they feel. My mum had cancer when I was a teenager and looking back I can see how hard I took it but I never talked to anyone about it which was not the best way of dealing with it tbh 😐
Ruth - I've read a few times that hair can come back quite different after chemo. A lot of people experience the chemo curl. I already have (or should say had!) curly hair so maybe it will be super curly when it comes back! A friend of mine had chemo for breast cancer a few years ago. Her dead straight hair came back wavy but over time it has now lost its curl again.
Rose - you might feel much better once you shave your hair off - I know I did. In fact, I quite like my (almost) bald look, so much so that when it grows back I am thinking I will keep it very short. My hair looked so awful and greasy and thin once it started to go, no hair was definitely an improvement. The worst was when I got out the car and the headrest was covered in hair - that was when I knew it had to go! I've been out in my wig a few times now and it's fine. I even walked the dog on a very windy day and it stayed in place 😁
I had my second FEC cycle yesterday and atm am feeling much better than with the first one. Just some mild nausea which my meds seem to be keeping at bay for the moment at least. Not sure if not using tbe cold cap has made a difference too as I did feel that contributed to the nausea. We'll see what the next few days bring...
Wishing all a good week 😊
Good to hear you had minimal side effects after your 2nd EC Joemic. The nurse who looked after me for my 1st said they tended to get worse everytime so it's nice to hear it's not always that way! I really sympathise with you about your daughter I also have a 15 year old girl who is very emotional and quite low in mood at the moment she's always been quite anxious but is struggling quite a bit at the moment.
My hair started to fall out yesterday I'd already had it cut quite short but think I might have to consider shaving it soon as I'm leaving more hairs on the cushions than the cats do! I've also brought my wig appointment forward to Thursday and have got the scarves and beanies ready it was good to hear your wigs 1st outing went well Ruth! I feel a bit anxious about the first scarf/wig trip out but know it's got to be done!
Take care everyone
Love Rose x
Really pleased you have had minimal side effects Joemic, I am going in for the 2nd EC on Friday, so always read with interest your experience.
I finally took the plunge and my husband and both boys helped me to shave off my hair (down to a no 5 - after advice). I couldn’t believe how much better I felt, I was starting to dread having a shower and dealing with all the hair coming out.
so have had my first wig outings today, felt a little self conscious at first but settled into quite soon. I hadn’t thought about how it will grow back Bananabrain, I assumed it would be the same??
It must be hard going through this with teenagers, my 2 (8&11) seem reasonably happy to tell me what is worrying them.
in terms of weight loss my only experience is loosing 3 stone with Slimming World which I have kept off for nearly 3 years, having said that I cannot eat unlimited potatoes/rice/pasta (as SW allow) and would minimise these portions. I do like quinoa, but does need flavour.
i hope everyone is doing well.
lots of love to all
Good afternoon lovely May ladies
I hope everyone had a good bank holiday - despite the rain!.
Interesting topics regarding foods and supplements. I've always eaten very healthily, love my fruit, veggies and nuts, never (well for 20yrs) added any salt to my food or eaten fried food - apart from the odd egg which I absolutely love but am avoiding at the moment as I like my yolks runny. I still managed to whack the weight on during menopause even though I stopped eating chocolate and sweet stuff only succumbing on the rare occasion. I don't like alcohol (comes from being blind drunk at 14 year old - never touched the stuff since) so can only presume I'm eating too much fruit and the fruit sugars have encouraged the weight gain. Not sure what else I can try - has anyone tried quinoa? I'm wondering if I should substitute potatoes for it occasionally - I like my meat but only very lean and generally eat chicken more than any other. Anyone got any ideas - I'd be more than happy to give them a go.
Does anyone take vitamin D tabs - I've read that we should take them daily whilst on chemo but as of yet I haven't taken any supplements as I find the advice confusing in that one study will say you should and another says you shouldn't, I just never know what to do for the best.
I'm nearly 2 weeks post 2nd chemo and feel good, I never felt tired this time or experienced acid reflux although like SP I did experience difficulties with my veins - I'd kept well hydrated and had my hand well and truly wrapped up, they got the vein first time but towards the end of the C part of the EC my vein started aching alot and it started collapsing - she just managed to get the last of the injection in. I had to have my arm wrapped up in the heated blanket for another 30 mins. That vein is still tender now and I can no longer wear my watch but it is the only side effect I have suffered from the EC this last time so I can't complain. The main side effect I suffered was after my last Zarzio injection, I woke in the night with pain in my jaw and I thought my teeth were falling out and my back hurt like hell - I took one dose of paracetamol and the pain went away and didn't come back - strange!.
Hehe Bananabrain, I wonder what mine will grow back like too, at the minute it's still brown around the fringe, side and nape of my neck, then I have a band of pure white where most of my hair has rubbed off, steely grey on the crown with the odd steely grey and brown tufts at the back. I look like one of those multi coloured cats but not as vibrant, so goodness knows whats in store for me; I suppose as long as I don't grow whiskers I'll be ok.
I took my 15 year old daughter to have her hair dyed for the first time today, she's been finding the whole of this very distressing but won't say anything so thought we'd have a bit of bonding. She has been ignoring any comments regarding my hair loss until I bought some raffle tickets whilst we were there; she read me the list of prizes and I said I think I'd like to win the cut & blow dry, initially she smiled and said yes, then suddenly lifted her head and said aw Mum I've just got what you said and we both laughed. When she had the plastic bag put over her hair with the dye on she said ooh mum I look just like you now (I had my beanie on). When she got home she couldn't wait to show her Dad the photos I'd taken of her and proudly pointed out that she looked just like me in the photo. She seems so much more relaxed now, who'd have thought buying a raffle ticket would finally break the ice for her when months of trying to get her to talk failed, no doubt she'll be back to her moody teenage self tomorrow so I'm going to enjoy today whilst I can.
Well too much talking from me, so I will just wish you all very well and hope any side effects are minimal and you enjoy the rest of the week.
Hi guys, hope everyone is having a good bank holiday weekend (or at least not a bad one!)
Has anyone listened to the 'You, Me and the Big C' podcast? There is one called 'About the food' which I found really helpful, especially the myth busting information. I quite enjoy the podcast anyway. It's chatty and positive but doesn't shy away from the difficult topics. Although (just as a warning) you may want to avoid it if it will upset you that one of the presenters (Rachael Bland) died recently 😞
Well today I shaved my head 😣 The cold cap obviously wasn't working and I was leaving a trail of hair everywhere I went so I decided to go for it. It doesn't look too bad I guess. I'm probably a bit weird but I have a fear that my hair won't grow back grey! I got sick of dyeing it so grew it out a couple of years ago and absolutely loved my silver! (I'm only 44, but started greying in my early 20s). I will be gutted if it comes back brown. Oh well, it will be better than it not coming back at all ☺
Sorry to hear your 2nd treatment wasn't so straightforward but at least it's one more under your belt and fingers crossed for minimal side effects.
That would be great if you could share any information you get from your consultation about natural remedies/supplements that might help. I've got my next chemo on the 4th June and see the oncologist on the 5th so I'll add it to my questions list! At the moment I'm just sticking to healthy eating, daily walks and have started to do some beginners yoga.
Take care and hope you have a good weekend
Love Rose x
Thanks for your shared info.
My piccline fitting was really well done too and very swift. It was irritating for about a week
but I barely notice it now.
I ordered some piccline sleeves from Annabanda yesterday as well. I got a blue, black and grey
one. They were £2.40 each. I also ordered a few hats. I have being using the cold cap but had a
lot of hair come out about 16 days after first treatment. It came out each day for 4/5 days following that.
I used the cold cap again on my second treatment last Wednesday (22nd May). I have to use the
small sized cold cap and when I got to the hospital for my treatment at 11am there were no small sized
caps (there was only one). I had to come back at 2pm which was difficult as you get yourself psyched up
for it. It was a really sunny day so my daughter and I had lunch in the sunshine (shaded for me) so it wasn't so
My hair has really thinned and I ordered the hats so my scalp won't get burnt on the sunny days. I
am going to persist with the cold cap. I was diagnosed with coeliac disease in 2012 and by the time I was
diagnosed I was malnourished so my hair really suffered then. Since the diagnosis and having a gluten free
die,t my hair over the last 7 years has grown to shoulder length and was looking really good. My hair grows slowly
so I suppose that is why I am persisting. I have been told it is the red drug, epirubicin in FEC-T treatment that
causes the hair loss and I have one more of those to go before switching to docetaxel. I will see.
I hope you and everybody else is coping well given our regime.
I have also been investigating supplements and ways of helping my body naturally, as I’m very into heathy eating etc. I have been told ( for what it’s worth) that although turmeric is a good anti oxidant you would have to consume large quantities for it have this effect? It’s also very important that you don’t take anything which could work against the chemotherapy. You need to check any supplement with your oncologist.
You may be interested to know that this week, I had a private telephone consultation (as he’s based in London) with a cancer specialist who is also a qualified naturopath and who believes that an integrated approach really helps support the body through chemo and beyond. I didn’t just randomly “find” him!! He was highly recommended by a friend, who is a qualified herbalist. I know this line of investigation is not for everyone, but I want to at least consider every option to help my body cope naturally. All recommendations would, of course, have to be discussed with my oncologist. The consultation took 90 minutes so was very detailed. I await the report and recommendations!! I’ll let you know if it’s useful, if you’re interested?
I had a very traumatic 2nd chemo treatment yesterday. My appointment time was “cocked up” because the scheduler apparently changed it to an earlier time but didn’t inform me! So, when I arrived at my time, I was “lost” in the system and then forgotten. I waited over 2 hours, getting very stressed and anxious that they wouldn’t treat me at all. In the end they did, but the nurse, who was lovely, couldn’t get the cannula in. Two different veins “blew” and it was really painful. I had heated my hands and wore gloves whilst waiting but the wait was so long, this was a waste of effort. A more senior nurse was called and he calmed me down and got the cannula in first time. It seems that stress and adrenaline can constricted the veins....and I had a lot of that going on!!!
However, I’m pleased to report that once the treatment started, it all went smoothly. I was exhausted when I got home and didn’t sleep great...but am ok today!!! Let’s hope it lasts!!!
So pleased to hear your mams good news Kelly. You are going through it doubly worrying about your mam as well as yourself xx
Thank you again for all the hair loss advice it's been really helpful.
Just wondering if anyone was taking any supplements? I know there are lots of ideas out there on the internet but was looking at tumeric as it's meant to be a really good antioxidant. I thought I'd ask at my next hospital appointment before starting though. In the meantime just trying to eat healthy and walk a bit more athough I must admit now that my appetite has improved I have had a few evenings on the sofa with chocolate and a glass of wine!
Take care everyone
So pleased for your Mum, it must be a bit of a relief for you all, not that radiotherapy is a walk in the park but it's better than having to have chemo too. How great is your son shaving his head to support you, you must be so proud of him.
Glad to hear work is working for you at times I wish I was at work but at others I'm grateful for only having myself to concentrate on during the day, I'm also secretly enjoying being a stay at home mum for the first time ever, making sure tea is ready for when they all get home - its such a novelty but will soon be over so i'm going to enjoy it whilst I can.
Wishing you all a more relaxed bank holiday weekend
Good evening ladies
What a busy thread it has been today. It's great to hear that on the whole most people are feeling well in themselves but not so good for those that aren't.
SP - I'm with you in that I get very nervous the day before my chemo is due, I guess it's something that will happen each time as we worry how it will affect us. I saw those fringes and am still toying with the idea, I actually quite liked the ones that have the hair that goes all around a hairband, have you seen them too? do you think you might try them?. I hope your chemo has gone well today and you don't end up with a nasty sore mouth this time.
Rose - My hair started falling out around day 15 and the majority by day 18 when I had it cut short, I'm day 29 now and still have a fair amount left. I think when the majority fell out it helped me come to terms with the fact I was going to lose it rather than constantly looking for signs of hair loss prior to it happening. Don't worry you will get through it when the time is right for you, until then you can pick up lots of tips from those of us who are dealing with hair loss at the moment.
Mominette - We're entitled to be 'bad' with our diet sometimes - says me who ate 4 bags of crisps today, never eaten more than 1 before. Seem to have had a 'eat loads' day today particularly savoury stuff. Strange really as my favourite naughty stuff is ice-cream. Fluid retention is very uncomfortable so glad to hear you are feeling better today.
Dapple - Great info on picc line covers, there seems to be a lot of ladies who have them fitted. I think Annabandanna is cheap for a lot of chemo things, I like their sleep caps, postage is reasonable and they do post it out first class which is great as I don't like having to wait for ages for my things to arrive.
Mangomum - Fantastic news you are no longer neutropenic, boy I bet you are relieved. Lets hope it's smooth running from now on.
Ilovehunny - Hi and welcome to the forum, sorry to hear you have had such a rough start to your treatment. Like Mangomum says the injections to stimulate your white cells can cause lower lumber and pelvic area pain. I was troubled by the lower lumber pain after my 3rd injection but it responded to regular paracetamol and cleared up the day after my last injection. You might need a change of anti sickness drugs if they are not working for you, many people have had to change theirs until they find one that works for them. Don't let them put you off, if you think you need different meds push for them, chemo is tough enough without putting up with side effects we don't need to.
Sewbuddy - I went on one of the hair loss sessions where they showed me how to tie some basic headscarfs - it seemed easy at the time but by the time I'd got home I'd totally forgot how to do it, I have had a few sessions following you tube but not very successful as yet - the positions I end up in would be more suited to the karma sutra rather than the elegant poses those ladies seem to manage whilst they're tying them - the you tube tutorials are a work in progress. I also considered the look good feel better but it seemed to be more about make up, which I don't use so didn't think it would be relevant to me. If you do decide to go you'll have to let me know if they do anything apart from make - up.
Hope you all have a lovely bank holiday weekend.