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I have been a vegan for more than 7 years and honestly, I feel much better than when I ate meat. I have a lot more energy now. However, I do not think that this is only thanks to veganism, in addition to this, I generally began to calculate my calorie intake and do a light workout in the morning and evening. By the way, I recently learned about the keto diet and would like to try it. This diet helps lower blood sugar levels and even boost energy. If you are concerned about the same problems you can read this article https://www.modernfit.com/food/how-to-order-keto-at-taco-bell-for-a-low-carb-diet/

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My husband...heavy processed meat, oils, etc. went on whole food, plant based, low oil diet 3 months before he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in Dec. 2017.  I've been vegan for years.  we're both 75.  So I have him eating all the anti-cancer foods: turmeric, Indian gooseberry, beans, broccoli, cocoa, green tea, tomatoes, fruits, legumes, grains. .  He has a 9 gleason score, prostectomy, one metastisized lymph node.   I am also looking for vegans who've beat metastasis and will be starting a facebook page.  

Would love to know others' experiences. 

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With due respect, I was told by a practicing Prof oncologist that all NHS oncologist are licensed to practice and are given NHS strict specific guidelines to treat patients. i.e. surgery, chemotherapy, radiation or radiotherapy.  They are not to give opinion about the alternative treatment or diets.  If they deviate from those guidelines, they are in danger of loosing their license to practice. None of the NHS oncologist has specific training on cancer nutrition or diet treatment that involve clinical trials.  Clinical trials are only afforded by big pharmaceutical companies who have patents on the products their are testing.

 

It’s true, not all vegetarians are cancer free, but they hage less cancer incident amongst vegetarians and the incident is even much less amongst  the vegans.  

 

Cancer is caused by multi factors; DNA, life style, pollution, stress, quality of food or veg we consume whether they are doused with pesticide and fungicides, growth hormone, preservatives, harmful chemical in our toiletries &products we use, type of jobs, radiation from electro magnetic field/WiFi, etc.  Too many to mention.

 

Eventhough if one eats only vegan diet but is not protected from the rest, it cannot guarantee cancer free life. 

 

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I’m with you Ann, I get tofu etc but not legumes...especially in moderation...Michael Greger advises including them and I really like his book and website, he makes good sense to me so I’ll still be including them! Thanks Kate x

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I think there is a lot of contradictory info out there, Kate, I’ve also read that tofu & other similar foods are not a problem at all & as you say, I can’t really see why there would be an issue with legumes.

ann x

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Hi Priscilla, I’d say you know more about this than me but I thought legumes were okay? I agree about soya, but a nutritionist told me chick peas, lentils, etc were fine, I only have them in moderation but?? I’m not vegan but do have days where I follow a vegan diet. Thanks, Kxx

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I am not diagnosed but I am a vegan. If you have breast cancer, I would recommend you to adopt a vegan diet for all the cleaner benefits it has, if it's done "adequately". However, you should avoid eating much tofu, chickpeas, beans, basically soy-based products and legumes because they are high in eustrogen. High levels of eustrogen can contribute to breast cancer. BUT, if you remove any type of soy product, you should get yourself some vitamin B12 supplements.

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Glad to hear that your son benefits from ketogenic diet. Hope he continues to do well. It must be a tough diet to follow. Another tough cancer diet that has some success rate is Gerson diet, plant based diet. 

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Hi. My son is on a ketogenic diet for his epilepsy and has been since 1999. Originally we were told 6 months but 17 years later we are still using it. It is hard on the body especially the kidneys and also triglycerides need careful monitoring. It's also very tough to follow but, despite being severely disabled, it was like flicking a switch on for my son. Things he had gradually list the ability to do he was able to do again. However we constantly battle with dieticians over blood results etc. If it is a viable anti cancer diet it would need extremely careful monitoring
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Hello there,

 

I'm aware that ketogenic diet helps to cure cancer for some people.  As you said that carb in take is converted by our body into glucose.  But that means eating protein from animals.  It is confusing for those who are told that plant based diet would help to keep the cancer at bay.  High protein diet is also hard work for the kidneys.  I just wonder how we can get a proper advise on a balance nutrition either by plant based or ketogenic diets.  Not many nutritionists able to advise on this.  

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Diana

I agree. The key here is cutting out carbohydrates and sugar. Even slow release carbs like porridge raise the glucose level in the blood - and cancer cells feed off glucose.  Read Tripping over the Truth which you can get on Amazon for a full explanation.

To avoid carbs/sugar, some cancer sufferers have tried a ketogenic diet which is high protein, high fat but nil carbs.  This is because cancer cells can't feed off the ketones which are the body's alternative energy supply if you do not eat glucose in the form of sugar/carbohydrates. 

Some patients have already tried this eg Andrew Scarborough was diagnosed with brain cancer in 2013 but, when traditional medical treatments failed to work, he put to the test Ketogenic diet’s reputed anticancer credentials.  His tumours disappeared. Scientists are now looking at the DIY therapy.

Article in new Scientist Feb 27 1016.

Posted here (print off to read)

http://davestockphoto.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/published-work-andrew-scarborough-new.html

or go to New Scientists website and register for free to read it.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2078558-ketogenic-diets-reputed-anticancer-credentials-put-to-t...

 

Here is Andrew’s personal blog which includes treatments/nutrition

http://mybraincancerstory.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=20...

 

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What about sugar, glucose/sucrose/fructose or similar products??? They are supposed to give energy to the cancer cells. Although they are many kind of unrefined sugar (agave, Palm sugar, honey) but the molecules are glucose based.  In the lab test cancer cells get their energy from glucose.  If you go for CT/PET scan you would be asked to fast, this is because during the fasting our body cannot produce glucose to fuel the cancer cells which makes them inactive, but the hospital will inject glucose intravenously half an hour before scanning, this is to activate and fuel the cancer cells so it can be detected by the machine.    

 

In my opinions just being vegan and vegetarian are not enough, one needs to do more. sugar free!   Sugar substitutes like xylitol, stevia or erythritol are considered safe and is not glucose based.  But it is not easy to find deserts or sweets that are sugar free.  Then there are the questions about the use of toxic pesticide, fungicide and herbicide in our fruits & vegetables farming practice. Many sprays used are carcinogens. Hence to eliminate that, organic vegetables are consider safe but expensive.  So many other factors that could influence whether we would get cancer or recurrence despite being a vegetarian or vegan.  To name a few:  daily makeup and toiletries use that contain carcinogenic ingredients such as paraben, aluminium sulphate, Stress level, Pollution, exposure to toxic items in foods , household items and toiletries, etc.  There is no straight answers.  But your life style influence the outcome.

 

strengthen your immune system, take supplements that helps prevent cancer. 

 

One particular book that has compiled a lot of data of cancer survivors that tracked people all over the world on what they do to have long term remission is called "Radical Remission" by Kelly A Turner PhD. Buy it from Amazon. It is an eye opening. But most of her data shows that those who able to keep the cancer at bay are embracing vegetarianism or being vegan, plus other life style changes.  

 

 

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I see a lot of vegetarians commented, but dairy and eggs are horible for preventing cancer.  Vegan isn't even the answer because you can eat oreos and other junk.  The true answer is whole food vegan.  Raw foods are truly the answer, so fruit, fruit juices are the two keys.  Loads of people focus on vegetables, but veggies aren't as detoxifying as fruit.  Green juices are great as well.

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Further to Jane's comments, I would also add that it is worth looking at who is funding the research. For example, would research from say the dairy council supporting the benefits of dairy products be unbiased research.

Clearly there needs to be a lot more research in the same way that cigarettes and cancer were researched so that results are conclusive. With regard to Jane Plant's book, she is not saying that she has done new research but rather that she has looked at the available research findings and made a decision regarding dairy based on those findings. Her methodology looks very sound and without further research I would rather opt for a dairy free diet etc

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Hi,
other good sources are the British Medical Journal (BMJ) or the Lancet but you do have to subscribe to these 😞 and the WCRF (World Cancer Research Fund).
Clarabelle

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There are no clinical trials listed in Patrick Holfords books that I can find, though there are references to published papers.

Jenny

(edited to add apologies, there are some trials listed in his references).

Jenny

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I am not a great believer in saying " my oncologist says" but I did once discuss this specific question with him and he said there was absolutley no credible scientific evidence to support any of this. I take this like Jane to mean double blind randomised trials and would add of a reasonable size.

cathy

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When considering trials and research its not only the number of papers which matters its the authenticity, reliability and validity of the trial. Double blind randomised trials are the best indicators of scientific reliability. Like jennywren I would like to have references to these so called trials so that I can see for myself whether they have been conducted in a scintific way or not.

Jane

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I have over 30 different books on the subject (Including Patrick Holford Books) and all have the research papers/trials held they refer to and where they can be found in the books appendix - its then up to the reader to look them up and read them in their entirety if they wish - an arduos task but well worth the effort if you want to know the indepth details.

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Hi Clarabelle
I have never been diary free no...apologies for late reply !

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I have been vegetarian for nearly 30 years and was diagnosed stage IV from the start. I have read Jane Plant and Patrick Holford and believe them to be misleading and unsubstantiated.

Could someone who knows about trials which have been carried out investigating vegetarian/dairy-free diet and breast cancer post the links, please? I would really like to read some scientific research on this matter. (My Patrick Holford specifically explained that there were no trials carried out, because of the expense involved, for no profit). Thanks.

Jenny

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Hi Jane, yes so have I and a very close friend was vegan many years before her diagnosis.

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I know or have known several people who followed a dairy free diet after primary diagnosis, and then had their breast cancer return. Some of them are now dead.

The evidence that a dairy free diet prevents breast cancer occurring or recurring is thin indeed.

Jane

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Hi, i am veggie and dairy free, used soya milk on cereals and carob bars for chocolate and was dianosed, lobular and ductual grade 2 no lymph involvement May 2007. I have now given up the soya and have oat milk.

Hope that helps a bit
Suzy

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Thanks for all your replies so far -
Blondebird I would be interested to know if you were dairy free before diagnosis?
Jimmi there is a known and well puplished link to diet and breast cancer - in particular saturated fats from meat and dairy, hence my questions on the subject.Trials show that vegeatians have a 30% lower risk of getting Breast Cancer but not enough trials have been done on non dairy veggies so it is not known whether being dairy free has any benefits! If you are interested in what foods do what read some of the Patrick Holford books - 'Say no to cancer' is very apt'!!
Clarabelle

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Hi all

Just thought you might find the BCC fact sheet on diet and breast cancer interesting to read. It can be found by going to the following link:-

http://www.breastcancercare.org.uk/upload/pdf/diet_and_breast_cancer_dec_06_0.pdf

I hope you find this useful.

Kind regards
Sam (BCC Facilitator)

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Hi
I've been vegetarian due to the animal rights aspect since my early twenties. Diagnosed aged 35 in Sept 08 with grade 3 triple negative 15mm no lymph nodes involved. Have since gone back to meat eating though as i thought why am i denying myself 🙂

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No I wasn't dairy free before dx and am still not. I know there is a school of thought that believes that dairy free is the way to stop recurrences of cancer but there are so many other factors to consider so am unsure about it. i have just been dx with osteoporosis in hips and spine so keeping calcium up at the moment. I have never been a great lover of milk or eggs. I love cheese and all the alternatives have tasted horrible. I have an open mind on the dairy frre diet as have not really looked into it fully.

Rachy

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I felt very isolated when I found out I was triple neg until I read Jane Plant's book during chemo. It threw me a lifeline! Going dairy free was my crutch- and yes,I really thought it was the reason my cancer didn't come back. Maybe I convinced myself to help me get through the early years after dx but it sure helped me feel better knowing I was doing my bit.On dx I was given a 35% chance of just being here in 5ys. I'm not just still alive but still cancer free. Going dairyfree certainly hasn't done me any harm - I feel fitter than pre BC days and have no problem maintaining a healthy weight.Swedish Glace icecream is delicious and so are many other dairy free alternatives, but I still miss my mature cheddar as the vegan one tastes like lard!
Josie x

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my partner is veggie and as I result my diet was mostly veggie in the run up to my diagnosis and I was convinced (for about a week) that this was the reason I got cancer. I read conflicting info about breast cancer, dairy and plant oestrogens in soya online and got in a right tizz. I stopped dairy, quorn and soya (forgeting that quorn is not made with soya). However, as the months passed I'm more of the opinion that I could have got cancer for any number of reasons or maybe no reason at all and that my diet is probably not the reason since my mother also got breast cancer and is a non-smoking, non-drinking, physically active, meat eater. What do you Guys think about the information that's out there on diet and breat cancer? Have you found a good trusted source? My posts always end up longer than I'd like! Sorry 🙂

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Thanks for the replies Rachy and Josie.
Next question has to be whether you were dairy free prior to diagnosis - Rachy?

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I've been a veggie since my teens and was dx with 2.4cm,grade3 triple neg tumour with node involvement at 45. Went dairy free as well during chemo and have remained so. I'm 5+yrs in remission.

Josie

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Hi, I am a vegetarian and was dx with Grade 3 Invasive ductal carcinoma (lump was 2.5cm in size and lymph nodes were clear) in February 2008.

Rachy

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Hi, well here I go again with another of my questions!
I was just wondering how many vegetarians or vegans get diagnosed with Breast Cancer and what type you were diagnosed with?
Clarabelle