Wow, wow, wow Maldives! I've never seen my bone scan and had no idea how they look. What a shock! What I do know that I found out for me is I can't look at my CT pictures! I thought I was going to throw up the last time the oncologist put them on the screen and showed me how my lungs had changed. It made me sick to see how this demon was taking over my body. That was years ago and I haven't looked since! I can look at someone else's just not mine! That must have been so upsetting to see! How long has it been between scans? Do you know how they looked last time? I agree you need to be consistent to get the best results from the pain meds. Don't be afraid to get a pain management team involved. Does heat help? Do they still make heat lamps? Maybe the warmth on your face would help. I'm glad you have an appointment Monday. Hopefully you will get a pain plan in action. I will be thinking of you! I'm so sorry you are in so much pain. You are doing so well at trying to put on a good face. I don't know how you are walking your little doggie. I have a very difficult time walking my daughter's little dog in our yard. She is only 17 pounds and has pulled me right over to the ground. My knees can't take the tugging. You take care of you! Good luck tomorrow! Gentle Hugs! FF
Maldives, my heart goes ot to you. Its such a shock to actually see this b88888 disease on scans etc. I have been worried about neck and head pain for a while but scan shows neck ok so assume its all linked to the spread of skin mets on my back. I just hope your onc gets you sorted quickly. regarding pain relief, i have only had oramorph but i do know that amytriptalene (an antidepresant) is used in small doses to help nerve pain.It may be an option to explore. I hope you get some relief soon. Lots of love. x
Aaah Maldives, so very sorry about all your pain and the scan results xxx
i wish I could offer some information or ideas which might help. However from what Barton says it sounds as if Gabapentin is a really good drug and hopefully that will ease your mind.
re the scans, the only thing I have to offer is that I too have these bone scans every now and then...my onc has said things like. ' .well there is shadow here which might be cancer or not...its hard to tell'
I do have spinal mets but there are loads of other black shadows....most of which are unlikely to be mets...my knees are shot from lifting patients, I also have patches of calcium loss...one orthopaedic cons, said 'that bone is worn out'. apparently its very hard to pinpoint all of it to cancer!
so hopefully..in your case too...not all the black bits are cancer. Xx
it must have been a big shock, all of this, hopefully you will see a U turn soon.
keep posting...let us know how you are xx
Oh, Maldives, I am so sorry to read about the extent of your mets! No wonder you have been suffering! Hopefully your Onc can sort you out with a new treatment when you see him/her tomorrow.
Re your question about Gabapentin - yes, I have been on it. I had spinal compression fractures at the end of 2015, and it was one of the tablets they prescribed. In the end, I was just taking that as the other - morphine based ones - made me constipated (causing more problems!) and sick. I found the Gabapentin worked quite well, but you do have to take it regularly so the effects build up. I expect the docs have told you that. I was able to gradually come off it by taking lower doses as by spine healed. I do so hope it works for you and relieves all that pain.
Hugs, and will be thinking of you tomorrow.
Thank you girls - indeed it has been the longest and shortest week of my life!! As you've said, as they've started treatment feels like something was being done.
Pippin I hope you recovery is quick...
one thing that this new dx has taught me is to not be proud, accept the help from others as it is their way to do something in a situation that nobody can do anything and accept being pampered, even if it's for a short while!!
Hello PMOL and Pippin,
I'm sorry you've had to join us but glad you've found the thread. You will find information and support here from people who know what you are going through and hopefully we can give you hope and encouragement and take some of the fear an anxiety away from you.
I t is very early days for you both and you are bound to be a mass of emotions and your heads full of questions. Don't feel that anything is too silly to ask, if we can aswer we will. The first couple of months are the hardest but once you have had time and space to take your dx on board and have a treatment plan in place you do slowly find your own way to adjust and cope. When you start treatment and get used to the routine you feel a bit more in control and as if something is 'being done'. You will see women on here who have been livingwith mets for years and you'll hopefully be able to let that knowledge take some of the terror away - I think most of us just want proof at the beginning that it can be lived wth and doesnt mean an immedietae death sentence! (I know I did)
I hope that your next appts give you the answers and info you need and that your treatment plans will be explained and started quickly. PMOL, I see you have already started treatment, if your mets are in bones it might be worth asking your Onc about bisphosphonates (bone juice as we call it here!) to help strengthen your bones. Pippin I hope you are recovering from surgery well, they may not start your treatment til you are recovered but hopefully they will tell you what the plans are.
Racer I'm sorry you are struggling with SE's, sounds horrid! Hope you will get some good tips from the other thread and that those on the same treatment can reassure you. I know it doesn't make the SE's any easier but I imagine that knowing others have experienced similar can make you feel less alone and that you are experiencing 'normal' symptoms which can be dealt with or may subside. I wish you luck for the next dose and hope it is easier.
Hieveryone I have not posted before but have been reading this thread.
Hi PMOL I too was diagnosed end of Dec with bone secondaries from original BC and new primary. Mastectomy was on then off then on again and am now recovering from surgery. That feeling of utter devastation waking each morning is so familiar to me but I have found like others have said on this thread that that state does pass. I have not yet gone a whole day without thinking about it but others have and I think with a bit more time I will get there.
Hi girls... new at this 😉 Got diagnosed with bone mets on Monday... think I'm all over the place emotionally... was going in for a masectomy after my bc returned and they stopped the op due to the mets... now on hormone treatment (zoladex & letrosone) but just started... trying to get my head round all of this... nit sure I,make much sense!! 😥
'Ohhh - you put your left leg in, your left leg out, in out, in out, and shake it all about'🎤
Hello racer, lovely Moijan is right - the 7 on, 7 off is quite a well known regime for Cape. I think the Americans use it more than we do over here (my Onc claimed to not believe in it, but as Moijan says, she has been on it and plenty of other people have good results with it too).
Please do join us on the Xeloda/Capecitabine thread on the Treatments board.
Hugs, and wishing you all the best. Barton.x
Hi there Racer,
havent crossed paths lately, have we?
its fine to have cape one week on and one off...that worked really well for me for about two years...can see why he is being cautious with you...obviously you need the right amount of platelets....
try not to get too fed up...totally understand why you are worried, but my onc too scans my bloods thoroughly and They probably all do!
these treatments play havoc with our body chemistry so its all a delcate balance....sounds as if hes trying to look after you really well........
also look on the Capecitabine thread...lovely Barton is a Cape veteran and may have some good advice/personal experience to share xx
and...we all dread being told theres nothing else for us......but there are new drugs bouncing in off the horizon...take heart xxxx
Racer, You must be so frustrated I have not had any experience with this. I wonder if a different chemo might be better. Have other chemos done this too? Can you get a second opinion?!? I'm crossing fingers for you that the every other week might be your answer. It us crazy these drugs effect each of us and how everyone's cancer is different. No wonder it is so difficult to find a cure! Good luck! Please let us kniw how every other week works! Hugs, will be thinking of you! FF
Just a quick hello to all
Avrelia,,,,,congrats on the return to work:hope its going well.
Truff.....hope you are still feeling a bit more up beat. xx
Love to all. x
Truffle, You certainly are not a wimp! You just had a lot put on your plate! I don't think any of us are wimps! This not easy!! FF
thank you , thank you, that sounds so positive , xxxx
will get reading , you are all amazing on here , make me feel like a wimp , xx
Oh Ff, that must have been a nasty shock. Glad it's safe and avoided your house.
Truffle-shuff - sorry I haven't posted until now. So sorry to read of your worries. I don't have any advice to offer, but JulieD and Moijan have, I hope, managed to put your mind at ease a bit with all their wonderful help. Just wanted to wish you all the best for your treatment, etc.
Yes, Carolyn, it's been quite quiet on here lately. Hopefully it means everyone is just getting on with things!
Quiet on here today! Had a few minutes before I go to work, so wanted to check on everyone. Truffle I've been thinking of you, and glad you were able to read some stories to give you encouragement! I hope you get moving quickly with a plan. I know sometimes when things are happening quickly it can put us in a spin! On the other hand though if the doctors drag their feet too long, our imaginations get the best of us! Please try to squeeze in some fun, in the middle if all this. Treat yourself to something you have been wanting!
OMG, a tree just came crashing down! It didn't hit the house but it sounded close. Must go look! It's an extremely windy day and going to get worse as the day moves on! OK, all is well! It's leaning into another one and should stay there! Plus a huge branch came down out of another tree and is laying across the branches of several smaller trees. Darn wish it was across the driveway, so I could stay home today! Have a great day! FF
I'm so pleased to hear you are feeling a little more hopeful.
I remember when I was first dx all I wanted was to know that it wasn't an immmediate death sentence and that there were people out there living with what I had. The links Moijan has given will hopefully further assure you that yes there are people with brain mets that not only continue to live but live well.
Hold on to hope.
Lots of love and masses of strength xx
'Nearly four years in ....and brain mets please help'
thread is under 'Living with secondary breast cancer-Treatment and medical issues'
there are a couple of posts about it from two other ladies....one is undergoing wbr just now another has had cyberknife.
love and Hugs,
Thank you, yes it has lifted me so much , It was like being hit with a sledge hammer . I do feel more poritive now. I had a couple of lovely replies on private message , I have been trying to reply , but , the link seems to be taking a nap . so if you dont get a reply from me soon, honestly all info was brilliant and has given me hope .
keep well xx
Thank you so much for your informative reply Julie d.
It has lifted me , I am planning my funeral at present , and The thought of WBR , sounds very barbaric to me , but you have given me some hope that this could be doable for me , oh and breath !!!! . i could handle the liver , bus as you sat the brain, is me, its personality , its memory its human . so to hear that I may be ok after this and not a vegatable is very reassuring.
bless you and keep you well , so very grateful xx
Hi again Truffle,
hope the link worked?
let me know if notxx
there are few ladies on there who may have ideas xx
Hi Truffle Shuff...
So sorry you now have this new worry....fortunately, im able to point you to a newish thread which you may find useful. The thread has quite a bit of helpful info on it now.and others who are in your position or have been..do have a look.
and lots of hugs for you xxx
Truffle-Shuff, Well that result , I'm sure put you in a spin. The liver seems to respond well to treatment for most. I wonder if it is bc of the livers own healing ability? Do you know what chemo you are going on? Have you had capecitabine? It can pass through the blood/brain barrier. Have you had any appointments with I'm assuming a neurologist/oncologist/radiologist team to discuss your plan. My experience with friends is that they have tried to have each tumor zapped if possible, saving whole brain radiation if absolutely necessary. You need to find and read some positive stories on this! There are woman out there who have done wonderful for years. It's OK to be scared, I know most of us would be a basket case! We are here for you. FF
hi truffle stuff,
Sorry to hear your latest scan results and understand how frightening it must all be. I only have bone mets so can't speak from personal expeience but I have lived with SBC for more than six years now and I know women and have quite a few friends who have liver mets and I also know a few who have brain mets.
First the liver mets. The liver is a remarkable organ and is very good at working on greatly reduced capacity,in addition to that treatments can be very sucessful for many years. I can' give you exact timings etc but I do know tat some of the liver mets women I know have been living with it for 6 or 7 years plus and though they may have had to change reatment at some point are still doing well.
Brain mets are scary for anyone to think about, because we see the brain as being 'us'. The treatments you get for brain mets vary depending on exactly where they are, how many, how big ....There is surgery, whole brain radiotherapy or targeted radiotherapy (steriotatic/cyberknife). I have known women who have had these procedures, some of them have had more than one type ie surgery and then later radiotherapy. Most of those I know who have brain ets have been diagnosed more recently, about 2 years ago. The treatments can make you very fatigued, you might get thinning hair, headaches for a while and sometimes speech and memory suffer for a bit but none of the women I know has ever said they regretted having treatment and they do seem to improve as time passes and things settle.
I don't know if this has been of any help to you, I certainly hope I haven't added to your concerns. What I'm trying to say/demonstrate is that even when we fear the bleakest outcome there are people out there that prove you can be treated and continue to live a relatively normal lfe.
I send love and strength to you - keep in touch xx
Sorry may be in wrong thread , but I need your wonderful thoughts and experience. I have been treated with Fulvestrant for bone mets for 6 months. scans yesterday show , liver and 3 mets in brain. terrified, will be back on chemo for liver , then if that stabalises will be offered hole brain radiotheraphy, now that scares me , surely that will leave me with lots of problem.
Does nyone have experience of this
thank you keep wellxx
Maldives...can you be a little more specific about 'George'.? iguess Carolyn could tell you, I have been known to make the odd . Risque hint on the forum!
Carolyn..re chocolate....im convinced there are beneficial substances in choccy, particularly black choccy.....wonder if major consumption levels works against them tho? But chokky overdose...what a lovely thought!
also...'sell by dates'. i dont go much on those eitherxx. Just set up home in the fridge?
in a funny mood today after a slightly better sleep.
oh and Avrelia...congratsxx
OK, My oncologist and had been in India, and the oncologist I don't like had given me my scan results. He had said stable, some improvement in some areas and a possible growth in one area. My oncologist went to the hospital to go over it. Yes there are improvements and stable areas. There is one area in the bottom of my left lung that they started watching in Oct. I knew this bc I'm going every 3 months insstead of 6. This area was suspected of being ground glass again. Ground glass is haziness in lung. Also, this time there is a new 1 cm nodule. The radiologist and the oncologist took a closer look at the nodule and said that they aren't convinced it is cancerous bc it's make-up looks different than a cancerous one. They said the haziness could be infection, a reaction to ibrance or cancer. They think it's from infection or ibrance. I do think it's from the cancer but have agreed not to change meds. I had ground glass before in same lung, but top of lung. Ibrance made it disappear. I find it funny that now insurance could be the could cause of this ground glass. Also, I'm very leary of this new nodule. I also find it strange after all this time that ibrance is still shrinking other areas that I have a growth. I feel fine so we are going with that. I wouldn't be surprised that my ibrance journey will be over soon. Hubby and I are trying to go to Florida for our 35th anniversary. We want to leave April 26th. My appt. is March 30th. I hope I'm able to go. I spent my 30th anniversary in the hospital. I don't want to have my 35th ruined! FF
Oh Sue that tassimo coffee machine is the one that George Clooney promotes isnt it? Does he come complete with the machine to actually pour it for you as well ... if so I might get one as well !!!
My retail therapy was boring stuff really ... but flanelette duvet covers so it will be all cosy and snuggly tonight in our household .. lots of mmms and aaghs when we get in them I hope !!
Im also thinking of a new bed ... been looking online but cant decide whether to go all romantic with a white metal one with hearts and crystals or sensible oak wood .... decisions decisions !!!
FF .. hope your visit to oncologist goes ok and things are all good.
Maldives, I haven't heard of a tassimo coffee machine. Will have to goggle it so I can keep educated!
Stresshead, I eat a lot of veggies, but do you mean 10 servings! Like a 1/2 cup of each? I don't think I could eat that much! I have been eating a healthy veggie soup for lunch. It has cabbage, carrots, onion,garlic, green beans, zucchini, broccoli, diced tomatoes and broth in it. It counts as 0 points on the Weight Watchers program. Only 50 calories in one cup. I've been eating the soup instead of salad for a few days. I was bored with salad.
Carolyn, I love chocolate too!! I don't buy it bc I don't have any control if it's in the house. Although, I will say there was some here over the holidays and I did very well at saying NO every time it called out my name! I don't want to have to deal with that in a daily basis!! I also don't go down the candy isle.
OK out the door to see oncologist, she is back from India! FF