Bon, FtF and Silver,
I am careful with my refined sugar. Not bc of it feeding cancer but bc of my diabetes. My diabetes is under control but it is difficult with "E and E" combo. I try to do healthy carbs, but eat a small portion of dessert if it's calling my name!
I do feel each of our bodies and cancer are very unique. What works to control or eliminate one person's cancer might not work for the next. I also think it's going to be a combo of different things for each person. I'm a firm believer that everything is on the planet for a reason. We shouldn't kill off things. It might hold the answer for something.
By the way, I'm Stable Mable again and they stretched my next scan and Dr appt for 4 months instead of 3! Staying on E and E. I've never had tumor markers. My old oncologist and new one both think they are unreliable. My oncologist said there is now newer thinking on how accurate they are. She is going to use them now. Curious about this. Haven't heard my results on them. Will let you all know when I know.
Thank you for your wisdom and good sense. Your story lifts our hearts. We are all different, we don't know what life's lottery is going to bring us and we can only do what feels right for us. It's good to share but we are all our own person.
love to all Bon xx
Thx ever so for sharing. Your 13 years are tres inspiring to us all....
All good wishes,
Carolyn, Yikes another spider story! Thankful I haven had much interaction with any so far this summer. This weekend son picked up a log to put on a camp fire and dropped it back down. He said OK Mr Spider you can have the log, I'll take a different one. Lol son was cringing at it. Sorry, that spider would have been in the fire.
Hi Ladies, I haven't posted in awhile. I've been reading the conversation on diet. I was drastically over weight and have had mets for almost 13 years. Two years ago I decided to make some life style changes. I was tired of being fat. I also new that they couldn't give me enough of the drugs to equal my weight. I felt if I lost the weight I would have a better chance the dose would match my weight. Over the years I don't know how I got so out of control of me. I did lose a lot of weight back in 2012 and then had a mediation change and put almost all of it back on. I tried a medical diet with prepared food that was 800 calories a day and gained weight. I gave up. Two years ago I realized I was staying the same and not gaining. I decided to try again. I have worked hard and lost 140 lbs. I did not cut out sweets or anything. I do tend to stick to the perimenter of the store. I only go up the isles if I need something.I don't go up the cookie isle. I try not to bring sweet things home and enjoy a sweet at somebody else's house or a restaurant. I also made other life style changes. I made one change a week. If I did good with the change then I would add a new change the next week. I went from being able to do "0" sit ups a day to "50" a day. I drank diet coke all the time. I learned to limit it. I did little changes like you must do 2 house hold chores before you go to work. I really found the discipline in other areas of my life helped. I still want to lose 12 more pounds. I've been holding my own since January,but haven't lost. I'm trying not to beat myself up for this and be proud I'm holding. I'm not exercising bc I broke my back in two places and had it pinned and cemented. I'm afraid to exercise since it broke from hic-ups. I went away this weekend and people were totally amazed at me. The compliments and hugs were wonderful.
I think it was the motivation I needed to tweak my diet and discipline a little more to finish.
I truly don't believe sugar and dairy cause cancer or feed it. My belief is we would all be dead if that's the case. I've known several people who had cancer who tried the no sugar no dairy. They didn' t live long at all. I don't have a problem with who does believe it. I feel it's our lives and we have to do what works for us. I do believe lots of us could eat better to fuel our bodies better. I really feel as long as we get good nourishment we will do better. I believe in moderation and finding a balance that works for your body.
Just want to say. I’m not saying it’s any one thing or even necessarily that we can dictate some of the factors involved, and certainly don’t think we should blame ourselves. I think a lot of research now says it is a metabolic disease, where many factors such as stress, infection, as well as insufficient rest and diet etc all come together and play a part in reducing the efficiency of our immune systems that would usually eliminate the cancer cells everyone has within them every day throughout life. I agree people from every walk get cancer, this only strengthens the metabolic side to me.
I couldn’t agree more about personal opinion and debate, in fact that was the purpose of my post...that all opinions should be equally respected.
Ladies the subject of diet will always bring about a debate as we are all so different In our views and there is nothing wrong with that at all!
My opinion is that I don't believe diet and lifestyle has any bearing on us getting cancer, my reason for this is that every walk of life gets cancer, young ,old ,thin ,fat, fit, unfit, drinkers, teetotallers, smokers, non smokers, vegans, meat eaters and the list goes on!
Also if I believed it was down to something I had eaten, drank, done or not done etc then I would be responsible for doing it to myself and I can't life with that thought!
Please don't feel the need to leave the forum, a lively discussion isn't a bad thing, and we are all entitled to air our views, it's not a personal attack on anyone it's just our individual opinon and we must all do what we feel is right for us. Xx Jo
Hello all, I haven't been posted for a long time , but I do read often.
As to the sugar question I have asked my onc about this (He is actually one of the lead people in research ) he told me to have a dessert if I wanted and have a glass of wine if I felt like it. He has however encouraged me to do The Clever Guts diet. Basically a Mediterranean diet : fish ,fruiit vegetables olive oil you can have chocolate and wine. Following recent research I do eat a lot of peaches .
Rosie please don't leave , you have been a fantastic member of this forum. No one should get told off for their opinion.
Well done to the ladies who have given up sugar , well done to as all for continuing to lead full and active lifes to the best of their abilities. Everyone is different , every cancer is different ,lets all continue to pull together,. Cancer is the bully not forum members .
Love to all
Janette, my comment wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular and definitely not at you. it’s a result of whenever lifestyle or diet is mentioned, and being made to feel how you’re saying you are now on repeated occasions. I honestly can say, hand on heart, it wasn’t directed at you. I was just fed up, especially after Silver had been made to feel bad earlier in the week about posting about statistics, that we cannot be open about our beliefs if they don’t tow the line, so to speak. If you read my post from earlier today you will see freedom to post whatever you believe in is what I firmly believe in. I hope this explains that my post wasn’t aimed at you at all, I honestly respect your choices. Kate x
Wow a can of worms has most definitely been opened here!
ln my post yesterday I was certainly not “scorning” anyone’s opinion, everyone is entitled to their opinions and to live the lifestyle as they see fit to do so. But on giving my opinion i was “scorned” for doing so! I was not condoning anyone’s lifestyle and was not saying that in order to enjoy life you have you need chocolate and wine.
Kate, nobody on here should be sent abusive messages for the things we post that is very wrong BUT I have been made to feel wrong and guilty for enjoying a block of chocolate and a few glasses of wine at the weekend, I weigh just over 8 stone so am certainly not a sugar monster!!
When I was first dx with secondaries four and a half years ago I was frightened to put anything in my mouth for fear of feeding my cancer, but after having a good chat with my oncologist who told me a healthy balanced diet with most things moderation I am no longer on the “guilty train” I enjoy my life and make the most of every day and do not let cancer dictate my every move.
I have been a member on here since dx and have found it a total lifeline especially when first dx, i have always found great support, advice and understanding but I now feel peoples opinions are getting too personal so will now be withdrawing from it.
i wish everyone the best of health, hugs Janette xx
I definitely didn’t take them to heart! If they haven’t the b⚽️lls to say it on here then that’s their problem. I wouldn’t describe them as offensive more judgmental and telling me how to behave 🙄. I’ve received some that I couldn’t even be bothered to open because I really couldn’t care less what they have to say.
The reason I found it easy to give up sugar and makes the changes I have is because I believe in what I’m doing, if I didn’t then I wouldn’t do it, or probably have carried it through, but it totally makes sense to me and that’s what I believe we should all do...what we believe in and makes sense to us, Whatever that is.
I’ve always done my own thing and will continue to do so, even my Oncologist says she respects my attitude and says I always make her laugh, so not taking life too seriously! I don’t wake up thinking about cancer and don’t go to sleep thinking about it either, it’s there but generally I forget about it and get on and enjoy my life. It is what it is! I was simply making the point that you’ve expressed with your opinion on free speech. It’s the old I don’t want to do it, so I don’t want you to do it either attitude.
My comment about Finty was probably because I’ve been thinking about her and would love to know how she’s doing, imo she was a great asset to this forum and I like to think we would’ve been a kindred spirit, though she was far more knowledgeable than me.
Will you be watching the World Cup? Bit annoyed it clashes with the tennis, so the remote will see a lot of action this afternoon, enjoy your day whatever you’re doing!
I would agree with most of what you say, and certainly about grief being a big factor, as I firmly believe it was a major cause of mine but I would say that greatly influences lifestyle factors due to the stress it causes. I think I said it isn’t just about diet, exercise etc.
I did initially cut out all sugar, except for a little fruit, and that included bread, rice, etc but now I do eat non processed sugar in moderation, but that’s because I don’t want it anymore. Sugar is in so many things that I’d say we get more than enough probably without knowing most days. I wouldn’t want cake and chocolate at gigs either, though I would have eaten chocolate at football, but often it’s said about enjoying life, then reference is made to eating chocolate and cake, as if that’s what enjoying life is about, which baffles me.
I didn’t mean to come across saying others weren’t making changes but I also always feel like making the changes I have is scorned upon by some, it certainly raises the ‘here we go again’ attitude. It is a choice but at times, a bit like the statistics issue earlier in the week, I feel not everyone’s choice is respected. In the past I’ve received some quite offensive personal messages telling me what I should and should not post. Finty, who started this thread, left the forum, and I believe one of the main reasons was because of the scorn she received, I know it was a long time ago and members have changed but personally I find that very sad.
Probably expected that while I agree if that’s your choice go ahead, I disagree lifestyle choices make no difference. Not because I believe in faddy diets but because I believe cancer is a metabolic disease, isn’t caused by one thing but by several changes in the body, and that cancer is the result or consequence of those changes. There is a lot of research out there proving processed sugar feeds cancer, that’s how contrast in scans work, but agree it isn’t just down to diet, there are many other lifestyle choices involved. That said I don’t believe it will cure me but I feel so much better for making the changes I have and believe they give me a much better chance to deal with whatever lies ahead. I was a real cake and chocoholic girl but, hand on heart, I don’t miss them now and find chocolate sickly after one small piece. If I was told there had been a mistake and I didn’t have cancer I would continue as I do now because I feel much better for it and I generally ate well, mainly organic, wasn’t overweight, before.
Following a healthy lifestyle doesn’t mean you don’t enjoy life...last week I went to Wimbledon and had a fantastic weekend in London, watching my favourite band, met up with friends from all over the world (in London for the concert) had a great Thai meal, and finished it off with another day at Wimbledon...all without chocolate and cake!!
Thanks for the reply Alexde.
I’ve renovated in a strict conservation area but never listed, very hard work!
Best wishes to you too Feelthefear, hope all goes well for both of you. Kxx
Hi Alexde, very inspiring to read your post. Although not quite as extensive as yours sound, I renovated a house a few months after I started treatment, I was dx straight to stage 4 almost three years ago now. I really think it helped me as I had so many other things to think about and focus on, I had done it a couple of times before so had an idea of what to expect, but enjoyed it even with everything else and would like to do it again now, if I could find the right house! Can I ask you did you make any other lifestyle changes? Hope your renovations go well and without too many surprises, unless they’re good ones! Kxx
Well I am now menopausal and ready to start the main drugs.
I am due to start Letrozol and penu something. has anyone any advice.
It is when the tumor spreads from the breast to the bones. People can get mets in all different parts of the body, ie lungs, liver, skin. Hope this helps you
That’s more or less what I heard, plus that she’d had, or was having, treatment in Germany. I find her posts on this thread so interesting, especially her early ones...Thank you
Does anyone keep in touch with Finty? I did hear she was having treatment in Germany and had posted on an American site. Thanks
Dear Silver and Tatiana,
You’re both too kind, I’d say more stubborn, and not liking being told what to do!
Love to you both, Kate x
Love the hey ho! Agree stats are just stats, no more, and frankly the majority can be made to say whatever you care to twist them to say! When I started on Letrozole I remember my Oncologist saying she was very hopeful it would work for me, I asked for how long, her reply was, could be more or less but usually around 2-3 years on average. That statistic made me want to beat that time frame and gave me something to aim for, so very much a positive for me. Kxx
What an encouraging quote & you did made me giggle about one's changing attitudes to statistics...so very true xx he, he, he.....
Obviously within reason but I thought this was a free forum for all? Nobody should be made to feel like they’ve been ‘told off’ because they’ve posted a few stats! Reading them certainly doesn’t trouble me, they are what they are, like them or not and yes, before I’m told, I’m fully aware of their reliability and outside factors involved. There’s a lot posted on here that some of us disagree with, but are tolerant enough to respect others posts, whether we agree and believe in them or not.