You could always study videos of Rick Allen's technique while your arm gets back into full swing again 🙂
oh i wish i could sing, but I cannot, just sit at the back hitting the drums, having a whale of a time. talked to the hospital physio today.Seeing her day after op and a week later and she says her job is to get me back to doing what I normally do asap. I am going to ask her about drumming with one hand. Dont know if its the movement of that arm everyone is so worried about or the blood corsing through my viens and tiring me out.
Hey hey all you other wino's - I have WLE & SNLB for large lump DCIS on monday, explained we at feiss festival then covent garden and hotel trip sat night (been planned ages 8 of us going)they said to go and do something normal but no alcohol for 24 hours prior to op. Advised me to maintain hydration on sunday and have a nice time! I want to continue with our big plans and enjoy before all this starts. I know I'll be having rads as high grade and i was told on thurs I am very high risk for invasive though not yet detected it can not be excluded and to be prepared. Lumpectomy is expected to change my size and shape quite a bit esp with how much margins they want to take too grrrr!
Enjoy enjoy enjoy whatever normality you can but we all need to maybe reign it in a bit - I keep telling myself this and I will but my vino helps no end when feeling crappy!
Regards and love to all
Oh..... O and L
If i had to give up my wine my life would be miserable!
After my mastectomy and recon I decided I would rather have a glass of red than a Tramadol ( obviously not while I was in hospital!)
Regarding your op.... there is every reason to believe that if they are optimistic .....then that will be the case! In my experience consultants don"t tend to say positive things for no reason. I had BIG tumour but no lymph involvement, no chemo and no rads. Easy for me to say,I know..... I always expected the worst until results came in
Wishing you all the best, raising my glass of bubbly to you as I type!
oh wow, someone like me. I drink up to a bottle of wine a night. or several pints of beer and then a bit of wine for a night cap.
the op is on the 21st. I am in total denial, of course the sential nodes are going to be clear and they will not need to take out any other nodes, of course the margin will be tickety poo and when the manage to find out what sort of cancer cells are in my nasty little growth they are going to be the most benign sort out, curled up like little pussy cats inside the cyst with no thoughts of wandering out into the big scary world that is my body.
they say that at this stage they are not thinking of chemo, and if the sential nodes are clear and it is the cancer they think it is i am not even getting rads. But still cover their backs by saying until it is out and in the lab they cannot be sure.
as to drinking later, well on a different thread i have been having interesting discussions about the fact that my son(canceer research doctor in denmark, the highest breast cancer country) has said for me and my risk factors (and that is not for all cancer patients) the effect of alcohol on recurrance is so small it is not worth changing my lifestyle, and anyway is balanced out by the protective heart deasease figures in the same study.
I dont know how I am going to feel if I have to have chemo. I know if i am ill i dont feel like drinking. A sign i am recovering is me looking for the corkscrew.
I think it is all down to personal choice. Some people who do not have breast cancer choose not to drink, some who do choose to stop and some who do carry on.
it is interesting that every doctor i have seen on this road has asked me if I smoke, but only the admissions nurse asked about drink. when i told him how much he asked if i had ever had liver tests, i told hiim yes and the results were fine.
i love this post, you are a woman after my own heart ;D
My anaesthestist (spelling?) told me to have a couple of glasses of wine the night before my mastectomy op - he asked about my alcohol intake and i told him honestly that i drink 1 to 1 and a half bottles of wine a night (not good i know!). So anyway he said have a couple to make you feel less nervous (and more 'normal') and it would help me sleep better too. So that's what I did and I had my op no problems at all. Had immediate recon and was in surgery for 13 hours - home 6 days later, been great ever since.
Don't know if you will be getting chemo? My oncologist advised me never to drink again and if i REALLY had to have a drink i was allowed ... wait for it ... 1 unit a week!!! eeeek! lots of research linking alcohol with breast cancer. I have tried really hard to cut it down but it's extremely difficult as you will know! I've had 3 chemo's now and tend not to drink the first week after, but by week 2 my resolve is severely tested and by week 3 i am back to usual!
have you had your op? be really interested to hear how you get on! all the best, Lynne 😄 x
Glad you've come to a decision that works best for you and that you're comfortable with OAL. Have a fab holiday and best of luck for the op.
why would i want a drink the night before an op? to feel normal, to relax, to have fun with the rest of my family. To not sat there with everyone like a naughty shoolgirl that is being punnished.
However the sensible side of me is saying i am not normal, and abstaining for a couple of days cannot be a bad idea, so get over it.
defintatly decided to have fun all holiday, join in the family for the big meal at the local french resturant and then be sensible sunday and monday
Why would you want to drink the night before your op.You need to give your body best chance to recover.Not add to more problems.
What did I do? Had a really good drink ;))
As long as you make sure in the day that you drink loads, then you're not dehydrated you'll be fine. They put you on a drip in hospital.
I would definately lay off the alcohol for several days before the op. Being hydrated is really important and afterwards too, the nurses on the ward really stressed this. Surely anything that can help you cope better with the anaesthetic and recover more quickly is worth it? Its only a few days out of the rest of your life!
Hope all goes well x
My surgeon told me to have a glass of wine to settle my nerves. I said ok that sounds grand - just make sure you don't have too many before putting the scalpel on me!
YAF, it's not just about drinking lots of water the day before but increasing your fluid intake several days beforehand so the individual cells (rather than just your poor bladder) are nicely plumped up.
The colour of your wee is a fair indicator of hydration. If you're well hydrated you'll need to go more often than usual, and it will be very very pale in colour. If you can keep it pale for a day or two before your op you won't be doing yourself any harm.
Forgot to mention keeping up with the hydration afterwards to flush the anaesthetics out more quickly, and being well soaked beforehand also helps with this. I know you're keen to get back on the move afterwards, so a few more glasses of liquid is an easy way to help.
When I had my BC surgery I didn't drink the night before BUT a couple of years ago I had surgery and was admitted the day before. I was having the operation at a private hospital and I was offered wine with my evening meal!!...they obvioulsy didn't feel there was any problem with that!!
Hi, I had a blow out but 4 days before my op. I drank plenty of water in the couple of days leading up to surgery, and ate plenty of melon, and smoothies with added protein powder - to help with post surgery healing. I was nil by mouth from midnight and only water allowed until 6am (but I slept through that) so essentially nothing from when I went to bed at roughly 11pm until my op which was eventually at 2pm (not even chewing gum) the next day and by the time I went into surgery I was gagging for anything to drink.
Coming around 2-3 hours later (approx 5pm in the evening) I went straight back into fluid mode to stave off any dehydration headaches and exhaustion from being without fluid for such a long time. I wanted to flush the anaesthesia out of my system and I knew that the sooner I did, the sooner I would be fit to get home (I must've drunk 2 litres of water that evening).
Hope you make the right decision for you, have a fab holiday and hope the op goes well for you.
dont get headaches, moodiness or lack of concentration so I dont see that i can be dehydrated. yes I know about the wine and water theory, i once did try alternating glass for glass, but I just ended up feeling terribly bloated and out of balance so i stopped. think this drinking water lark is a bit over-rated.
There is nothing in the hospital literatur about drinking lots of water the day before.
But i still think its right to cut back the booze so my liver has a better chance with all the drugs they are going to pump into me.
As someone who drinks, I often alternate wine with water - always have both on the table - might be worth building that up while you're away and then sticking to water the last couple of days - better you get over the op, sooner you get back to feeling good.
Like lots of us, will be thinking of you during the op, but have a lovely holiday too xxx
Hydration is an interesting issue aol - many people are permanently mildly dehydrated without ever realising it - it causes moodiness, headaches and concentration issues. When I used to drink a lot of coffee and not enough water it had this effect on me.
Hydration? Never entered my head. I don't seem to get thirsty. Would never dream of drinking water or any soft drink except occasionally after my evening meal and if the pub is hot and I get sweaty playing I would drink some water between songs. Occasionally after too much alcohol I wake up in the night for water, but then I slap my wrists for overindulging. I know my body cannot handle more than bottle and it is foolish at any time for me to open the second.
Think you are right.. Have a good Saturday night, not just for my sake bot for the family. And then two full days to clear the system. Might give up caffiene too
I would be the one that would have a few drinks with my family on the Saturday night, maybe a cpl less than the norm but would certainly get out & let my hair (that i would of still had) down for the last time for a while before the serious business starts, as you say you have the Sunday & Monday to be alcohol free.
Hope all goes well with your Op & that you have a fab night with the family.
I wouldnt drink a few days before surgery nor smoke either as it could affect how you come round after your op. And the last thing I wanted was to feel sick needed to get well quickly,
But that is my own opinion.
aol - we must have been looking at different studies! Mine was a large review of human stats. I can't work out why the link won't work, so here is an excerpt:
Several studies have described the association between hazardous alcohol intake and an increase in postoperative morbidity, and this appears to show a dose-response relationship. The complication rate is about 50% higher when drinking 3-4 drinks per day compared with 0-2 per day, and this difference is of significance in some studies,[32,56,63] but not in all.[16,60] The complication rate increases to 200-400% when drinking 5 drinks or more per day. In this review focusing on surgical patients hazardous drinking is defined as drinking 3 or more drinks per day (with 1 drink equating to 12 g of ethanol), thus reflecting the WHO description. Hazardous drinking exceeds the intake defined as heavy drinking and the general WHO recommendation of a maximal annual intake at no more than 6 litre ethanol per capita (children and young adults excluded).
Edited to remove references to smoking, as irrelevant in this case. If you c & P the first line into google search it will take you to the whole article.
As CM has said - hydration is important pre-surgery It also helps them find tricky veins.
Whatever you decide, I hope you have a fab holiday and all goes well for you.
You should also do the "prep for sport" thing in the few days running up to it, and plump up all your body's cells by hydrating properly. Drink more fluids than you usually would, but try to avoid those with diuretic effects (for me, that definitely includes beer and wine but tea also makes me wee like a full-on tap), so get yourself outside lots of other non-alcoholic stuff. It might be worth trying to find something that you quite like the taste of, that's not too sweet. I think there was a thread a while back that asked for suggestions for an alternative to a glass of wine, you may find someone very helpful finds it. (I think it got a bit side-tracked IIRC, so you might just find the first page or two useful).
How about getting a taste for something a bit out of the ordinary? Like elderflower cordial made with sparkling water? Or clear apple juice also with sparkling water and loads of ice? Makes it feel a bit more like a grown-up drink if it's got a bit of fizz without too much sweetness, I find. You might have other concoctions you can experiment with. Ginger beer, perhaps? (No, sadly I didn't mean Crabbies this time...)
Anyway, as prep for surgery it'd probably be sensible to cut down, even if you don't feel like cutting out completely. Similarly afterwards you'll have anaesthetic floating round your system for a couple of days, so with the hangover from anaesthetics you might just not feel like having a glass of wine and will feel better with Horlicks or hot chocolate.
Best of luck for the op, whenever it is. I'll raise a glass of something tasty to you, that or a mug of tea!
mmm, i think have a good night with the family on saturday and then nothing on sunday and monday sounds like a good idea then
The swift drink the night before was WRT a spot of scuba diving, not surgery. I really wouldn't drink the night before surgery as it stays in the bloodstream for at least 24 hours and it is a depressant so therefore will suppress the CNS. If you are nil by mouth from midnight, for example, the last thing in your stomach really shouldn't be a poison like alcofrol.
a swift drink the night before-- more than i was thinking of.
finty the link would not work for me either. the only research i found by googling was the one that hit all the papers a few years ago, but when you dug out the original report it turned out to be experiments on mice. thalodomide was tested on mice, with no ill effects. so i would be a bit wary of taking notice of that one, but if its a different study that i did not spot that would be interesting
I used to like to share a bottle of wine with dinner before I got poisoned regularly.
However, the rules for surgery are similar to the rules about preparing for a scuba dive. The mind and body should be clear of stuff that could interfere with clear thinking and bodily processes that your life could depend on. No-one is allowed to dive with alcohol in their system as this could impair mental and physical reaction times. So no drinking more than a swift drink the night before a dive.
To give your body the best chance, shower, don't apply aerosol deodorant or perfume, and keep the drugs that depress the CNS (central nervous system) in their bottle.
I 'like' a drink too, but there come times when it's not suitable. Try thinking, later on. Maybe during chemo or after surgery. Times when it's not going to be a good idea. There are bigger priorities than a bottle of wine before bedtime.
I was a moderate drinker and I didn't drink for a few day before surgery. I would try and cut down - drinking raises the risk of complications after surgery:
Edit - for some reason that link won't work - but google "alcohol surgery risks medscape" and you'll get the article. It says heavy drinking raises the risk of complications after surgery by up to 400%.
Am i the only person that has silly questions on here?
Ok regulars will know I like a drink. At the pre-op evaluation I was asked what my consumption was and I said oh its high,6-10 units. he said 6-10 units a week is not that bad, I said --no thats each day.
Raised eyebrows but no advice about what to do pre-op. And I never thought to ask. I am going on a family holiday to france. That would normally increase the food and drink levels, but I am sensible enough to think about giving my body a chance to deal with the drugs I am going to get etc.
I think if i were at home i would think about having three nights alcohol free before the op. On saturday however is THE big familly holiday night out. Do I sit at the feast like banco's ghost or do i try not get totally blotto, and then just have two days without the booze. Sunday night at home by myself, no problem looking after myself and abstaining. monday family back in london and all rushing to pub to have that english beer that we have been missing--well I will just not go to the pub and have a glass of hot milk watching the episode of the apprentice that i will have recorded.
So, those of you that enjoy a bottle of wine and have not changed recently--what did you do about alcohol before your surgery??