Still here - Yes I've been told tthe same. No grapefruit, pomelo, pomegranate, star fruit, Seville oranges, marmalade, I think that's it. Also I have to check every single med I want to take with my trial team.
PMOL - Good luck with scan xxx
I have a chillow that arrived yesterday, used overnight, it was a bit weird to be honest and warmed up pretty quickly! Not too keen but will give it more of a chance.
I've switched letrozole brands as I was on one that gave me no hot flushes (Dr Reddy's), then I had to switch to another for my trial (Manx healthcare), I asked if I could change back and they said yes. So Saturday I took the first Dr Reddy's again, hoping it helps!
I've been offered venlafaxine/gabapentin or amitriptiline for the hot flushes but I don't want to take yet another pill, plus the side effects of all of those don't look very fun. Am hoping I'm allowed to take evening primrose oil and sage tablets as have heard good things about those. I meet with my trial team again on Friday so should find out then. They will also take my bloods then and see how they are faring, I've heard most people on palbociclib drop down a dose, so I wonder if it will be the same with me in my ribociclib.
hugs to all who need them,
Carolyn, Yes, everyone should always know to read the literature and check with their doctors before taking anything. When we post suggestions we are never saying It's for all!! All things should be checked out before you try it. There are lots of natural supplements that can't be taken. Look how even with a lot if m eds you can't have grapefruit! I never did like grape fruit, so not whining on that one! FF
good luck with the scan ,and do hope it is negative for you ,such a worry is it not for all of us having scans.
i haven't tried it so don't know but thought it might help some one 😉
Off to head CT as haven't stopped being sick for over a week now... hope the blighters haven't taken up residence in my lone two cells!! 😰😰
Carolyn, When I had to get neulast a injections I was told by the onc to take claritin the day before and several days after. It worked amazingly well. I didn't know this on my first time with neulast a and I was miserable for days. I don't exactly remember everything but what a difference the claritin made. I tried taking it when I was on letrozole and it did nothing! If I was in pain from a drug, I would give it a try again. It is worth it to see if it helps! I had forgot about it. I did see her posting. Thanks for the reminder. I'm probably going to try it for the little bit of knee pain I'm having. It might also help with my post nasal drip and itchy skin. Worth a try. DR
PS If only it would make me sleep!
Thank you guys!!! ❤️❤️❤️ My husband came with me - the worse part was coming out of radiotherapy and seeing him soooo upset. He told me then and said that my onc was coming to talk to us more. I think the worse part was seeing him soooo upset... 😢
CHILLOW! Thats the name of the ice pack and apparently it was in Wilko (UK). I'll have a look on amazon and see if I find anything whilst my family is running around the house playing nerf wars!!! 😁
Big hugs xxxx
amazon do lots of different ice packs but dont know about refillable ,but worth atry as what they dont do is not worth doing,
thinking about it you have more than likely surfed the net,so this may be a bit of useless information to you.
take good care
PMOL, What a train wreck of a ride your appts have been! That added stress alone is enough to make you explode with feathers flying everywhere. Geez, I hope you had some one supportive with you when the Dr called you in. You have a lot to deal with. I would get that emergency CT straight away. I would want those answers. Just remember those liver mets can make you vomit too! Hang in there the best you can. Holding your hand from across the pond. Hugs! FF
PS I like your ice pack idea! I suffer with night sweats too. I'm often trying to find a cool spot on the sheets to help. I heat the bed up so much. I flip my pillow over too frying to cool off. I think I'm going to look for one of the refillable ice packs like my mom had. I wonder if they even make them?!?!
What a week. What can i say? I'm so sorry that your liver is now affected. You've got more than enough to cope with without all the chaos, confusion and waiting that you have to put up with, For people who have to spend a lot of time in hospital anyway, dwindling NHS resources and consequent delays only lead to much more misery. Sounds like thankfully you have a supportive family. Hope CT scan is OK
Big hugs Bon xx
Hi girls! Sorry I haven't been much in. Tried catching up with some posts before I wrote this but my memory's gone! Guess it being 6:30 and having beenup at 3 doesn't help!
anyway, it's been another rollercoaster week 😞. First came the appointment for radiotherapist through over last weekend. Had to travel 1:30hs for the appointment, then find out the clinic was running 1h behind and then told to wait for CT to measure up... ende up coming home 6hs later!!! Then the day I was starting radiotherapy they were running behind, hadn't received my paperwork AND had to take an antisicknwss tablet which meant waiting another 30' !!! Thankfully both days the girsl were having fun with grandparents and cousin otherwise it would have been a nightmare!
On top of that I 've been sick for a week (before the radiotherapy) and now have constant feeling in my legs that they are going to cramp. Painful! 😧
To top ot up got a call form the onc saying that he wanted to see me... (always dread the last minute appointmnets!) Saw him friday after radiotherapy to tell me that the blitters have taken residence in my liver, haven't been accepted on the trial yet (they want me to have the next ct and the removal of ovaries that JT had) and to do an emergency ct scan of hte brain due to the vomiting....
aaaaaarrrrgggghhhhh - sorry for the massive rant, I know you understand! (And dont get me going on the waiting times!!!)
JT someon said about having an ice oack unde rthe pillow to be able to hold in the night for the night sweats and that it helped... 🤔
hope everyone has had a nice weekend
big higs xxxx
I have a breast care nurse but I haven’t seen her since shortly after I was diagnosed. She’s based in the breast care unit miles from oncology so that’s not surprising. The care and support in the breast care unit was mostly excellent and I was seen there initially after secondary diagnosis. My BCN told me to ring her about anything but the last time I tried, her attitude was ‘Why are you ringing me about this?’ So I won’t be contacting her again. Mind you, have any of the other cancer patients I see at outpatients got that kind of specialist nurse?
I was told not to have anything invasive or even to have my blood pressure taken on the arm on the side of my lumpectomy and they gave me a card to carry which said that (now buried amongst all the other card shaped junk in my purse).
I take exemestane and I don’t eat grapefruit but apparently it affects all sorts of drugs. I don’t eat Seville orange marmalade either (I found a reference to it on a website) which is a pity because I love it and had just made a large batch when I found out.
Jellytot I can sympathise with your lack of sleep but I don’t have any magic answers. I’m afraid I take a pill from time to time.
Helen and Janette, glad to hear you're both stable!
Hugs to all Bon xx
Stillhere, I read on line one time about grapefruit. There is something in it that can increase to potency of the drug. It also listed star fruit and pomegranate along with grapefruit and Seville oranges. Never was told marmalade. FF
PS Just went and had a read. Seville Oranges are used in marmalade.
Hi Jellytot, I dip into the forum occasionally and was sorry to read about your horrid side effects, glad that they are getting better. I think I had pretty much the same ones as you when I started the PIPA trial, I'm probably repeating myself (brain dead these days!) but I almost gave up in the early days.
Palbociclib and Ribociclib are almost the same drug I believe, just made by different companies so hang in there, I'm sure it will get much easier! I'm not allowed to eat grapefruit or its juice, Seville oranges or marmalade, have you been told the same? As you said, every tablet/supplement has to be approved on a trial in case it skews the results.I think I've already posted somewhere, my latest CT scan shows a 50% decrease after 15 months so it's still working well. I hope you get longer, best wishes x
i believe sage tablets may help as my friend swears by them ,but take some time to realise they are working for some people ,she buys hers from amazon as much cheaper i am led to believe so good advice from maria louise and worth a try .
take care .
Jelly Tot I was recommended sage tablets by the hospital to try and help with the sweats. I got them from Holland and Barret . I only actually ever took 2 or 3 as I kept forgetting and was taking so many anti sickness tablets at the time i just couldn't face another pill. I may start taking them again though. If you cook with sage you could always try the cheaper option and chew on a sage leaf. Xx
I'm pleased to report my nausea is much less now, my stomach issues aren't as bad and the headaches have gone. However insomnia is still plaguing me. I've called my trial team but I have to wait to hear back as to whether I can take anything because everything has to be approved by Novartis. I've tried relaxing as much as possible before I go to sleep. I can't do hot drinks or baths as they make me feel hot and flushy. Any tips for reducing night sweats at all as these aren't helping with the insomnia!
Hope everyone is doing well xxx
I suppose thinking about it it does make sense using the arm that hasn't been compromised, I will remember to say something next month.
The double whammy was devastating but then so is any secondary diagnosis.
Every women that posts on here just amazes me, this is a good place to unload and have a moan and we all deserve to be able to do that.
Now going to have breakfast, I do love the late starts in the school holidays.
Carolyn, thank you for your reply re hormone treatments, I wasn't sure how many other options there were on this type of treatment. I haven't had a period since April last year so I am assuming that I have been going through the menopause during that time. See that was one of my questions for my onc that I didn't ask in my haste to get out of the hospital.
Yesterday I had my Zometa treatment and the nurse who set it up asked me which side I had my nodes removed from as they don't like to use that side for treatment. I had never been told that before. Has anyone else heard of this?
Janette I bet you feel better this morning, I am so pleased that your scan matched your good Tm results.
Helen good news with your treatment working too.
Jelly tot tot how are you feeling this morning ? being unable to sleep can magnify everything. Do you have a good book you can pick up in the lonely hours, maybe a little read could send you off to sleep?
Nicky I watched the athletics Wednesday night and felt so sorry for those athletes getting soaked. I hope you enjoyed your day though, I do wish we had gotten tickets but I am not so good at planning ahead !! It's all last minute with me.
it sounds like it depends where your hospital is as to whether or not you get a bcn to support you after secondary diagnosis. I think I noticed it more as I was diagnosed straight out with primary and secondary So never really had much to do with them at all.
Wishing you all a sunny day today xx
Yay, plenty of stable Mabels! Great news Janette and of course Helen, who I knew about before. Enjoy your holiday Jools, hope to catch up in September - maybe when the sun has returned from its holidays 😉
Talking of the lack of sun, guess which night we had tickets for the Athletics World Championships? Yep, Wednesday, the only one it rained on. Typical, you order these tickets about a year in advance, find out that you have actually got the ones you requested and then on the night in question it pours down ☔️ Never mind, all the spectators are under cover, which we found out when we got there, just felt sorry for the athletes getting soaking wet.
Janette, check out brands of letrozole but if you are lucky enough to be getting the branded, and therefore fully tested and trialled, version (Femara) it will be the one that is least likely to affect you. Some of the others have definitely affected me in the past and agree with Carolyn to avoid Cipra. Also, as with Helen, I have been on Denosumab for 4 years or so and not had any symptoms of itching (plus there's no news of coming off it after 3 or more years in our healthcare trust) but I know we can all be different. Isn't it great, the mixed bag of side effects? Which one will you get? However they are things we do have to put up with when we know how well the actual drug is working for us.
Hi to all our mets ladies, here and across the pond.
Ps, edited to say to Jellytot, how awful to have really severe side effects from the trial you're on. I know you will be closely monitored so maybe they can reduce doses somewhere in the combination as they do aim to get a balance between effectiveness and how you cope with the side effects.
Alos, regarding BCN for secondary BC for many years I haven't had one at all but for the past couple of years I do have one. I think it's up to each Trust to determine who they train up to cover secondaries as most are trained for primary BC which, as we know, is a different level of support and information. At first I was always worried when my BCN sat in on my oncologist appointment just in case she was there to hold my hand because of bad news. Now however we all have a chat about holidays etc, my oncologist included! She is definitely part of the team and doesn't just sit there taking notes she get involved with my appointments.
Janette - fab news Stable Mabel! I would definitely think about changing the brand of letrozole & see if the at is causing the itching. I've been on denosumab for nearly 5 years and never had itching but then we are all different.
Julia - thanks for popping in & enjoy your holiday, hope to see you again in September.
Jellytot - really sorry to hear you have so many side effects on your trial drug, hang in there girl
Good luck to everyone on their treatments and thanks for your good wishes from another Stable Mabel
excellent news 😀 I've been thinking of you and I'm very pleased you are a stable Mabel. I'm off to Norway tomorrow so just popped "in" to see if you'd had news.
lots of love hopefully see you next month, take care.
Julia X 🙋
i have never thought about what you say before ,but you have a valid point, when i think about it as the nurses were all over me the first appointment ,so yes i do think you are correct and will ask her when she is around next if she is only for primary patients ,because she sure has not been there for me ,yet in front of oncologist she is so nice,[two faced bitch].
,you are not alone carolyn,i was introduced to a bcn when diagnosed ,she gave out three cards with her number on and passed one to me and one each to my two sons ,also stated she or someone was available 24/7 ,what a laugh ,she has never ever got back to me,but last week at my onco appointment ,i met up with her ,she had the nerve to say ,,,so nice to see you again ,so she got it all barrels blazing plus in front of my onco and must say i felt much better for telling her .
good luck to all you ladies who are either suffering after treatment or waiting for results.
Pippin, Stable Mabel is always good to hear! You get to walk around with a huge smile!
Maria, Waiting for the mail to deliver your results must really create anxiety! At least when you have a doctor's appointment for results, you know when you're getting them.
Jelly, I'm sorry you are having such a rough time. Vomiting and not sleeping are the worse! Big hugs!!
Morning ... I hope the rain has now left us all alone, it's been awful.
Carolyn I hope you got on OK with your bone juice yesterday and no you are not alone running in and out quickly. I always go into my onc appt meaning to have a grown up conversation but always end up running full speed to the door at the point he says any questions ...... X
janette I hope your headache has gone and this time tomorrow you will be relaxing again until the next scan x.
Jelly tot how awful that you have been hit by all those side effects. I find I can deal with most things but nausea and vomiting gets me down big time. Hopefully you will start feeling better soon.
I had a scan 2 weeks ago, my onc always writes to me with the results and I am currently feeling sick with worry. It's an awful time isn't it and I don't think you can explain the feeling to anyone. I have been diagnosed with primary/secondary for 19 months now and I haven't seen or heard from my Bcn for at least 17 months ! Is this normal? I struggle to believe quite how bad the support network has been. Thankfully I have a wonderful husband. I am currently on tamoxifen and so fearful that if that is now not working I will be back on the chemo. I feel well and not ready to go down that road again.
sorry for unloading but just needed to "say it out loud" xx
Sorry for my absence, I've been pretty poorly. The new meds have hit my system hard and I have had nausea, constipation, diarrhoea, headaches, insomnia, fatigue, gosh it's been a rollercoaster. I'm slowly getting used to them I think and have the nausea at least under control with metacloporamide.
I see my onc again on Friday next week, I just don't know if I can cope with the insomnia until then as it's pretty awful, am managing 3 hours sleep per night maximum. I must try not to nap in the day as that must make it worse. I know it's all for the greater good, but it's so very hard!
Love to all,
Stable Mabel (I think) reporting in.
Onc started "I'm sorry but" and my heart sank more rapidly than a stone, in a split second I had plummeted a million feet. Then "your scan hasn't been reported yet" - relief but psychologically I didn't rise up to where I was before. More mets visible now 'cos of bone juice's good effects but thought to be stable. I'm not in denial; I'm sure of that but it really brought it home to me that one day without any warning I will hear those words again and for real. Felt a it "down" even though I'm stable. Weird.