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I know this is an old post but thought I would add something about alcohol and breast cancer. An article recently appeared in the Daily Mail by a professor Sir David Nutt on the problems of alcohol as a legal drug, but did touch on the points raised here. I do agree alcohol like tobacco is a causal factor in breast cancer but believe it all depends on how each individuals DNA reacts to it ( some can smoke 60 a day unaffected others can inhale secondary smoke only occasionally but get lung cancer) There are many faulty genes which can switch off the protective gene to stop tumour growth, not only BRAC1 & 2 but CHEK2, PALB, PAM and Li Fraumini etc. It is likely that those who get 'causal' cancer might unknowingly carry these faulty genes but it would be too costly to test everyone for all of them so this cannot really be explored and/or proven.

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Definitely not.  I just don't want to anymore. I had a gin and tonic recently and enjoyed it, but didn't want to carry on.   I am enjoying getting fit again.  Exercise has really helped me through the chemo and I intend to keep it up.  I love the matrix at least you feel that you can do something to lower the risk.  As I am having surgery soon I want to get fit and power up on aerobics to get through the next part of the treatment. Thanks for sending this again.

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Jules, just when you might want to drown your sorrows! Nope, not allowed. X

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Thanks Mai very interesting. 

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This matrix suggest no alcohol to reduce cancer risk. 

https://wcrf.org/dietandcancer/interactive-cancer-risk-matrix
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I will try the almond butter stuffing. Sounds like a good combo.  Glad you are alright now.

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Mine too! Have you tried putting almond butter inside when you take the stone out? 

 

Yes, my primary still hasn’t been found, not even on scans, I have dense breast tissue, they think it’s right at the side. I remembered what had happened to the sister of a friend of mine, she was married to a GP and it was only when he took her to A&E and refused to take her home until they did something because she was in so much pain, that a secondary spinal tumour was found. Think that was always at the back of my mind even though it was 15 years ago. As you can imagine she’d had every test going but nothing was detected, she’d otherwise been very healthy. My Oncologist says although not common, not detecting the primary happens more often than you’d expect x

 

 

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I love Medjool dates.  They are my toffee

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Nothing showed on the mammogram and ultrasound.  I have never heard a story like that before.  I am glad you pushed and that your case was properly investigated. Gosh.  I had an early mammogram. I am 49.  I had no lumps but 2 x Stage 2 tumours were found. I wouldn't have known if I had ignored the letter.  The oncologists still can't feel them when I go for check-ups.

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Hi Jules, going through chemo that makes sense. I was dx straight to stage 4, with mets in 3 or 4 upper vertebrae, long story but had been going to my GP for years as I knew something wasn’t right. Mammogram and ultrasound were both clear, so my doctor didn’t ignore me, but it took a biopsy to find out what was going on. I loved cake and chocolate, never smoked, been overweight, always active and didn’t drink much. I made changes to my diet, instantly gave up processed sugar (and initially most fruit) started on a plant based mainly organic diet and started having goats milk in my daily or twice daily cuppa, otherwise I used plant based milks. I was a real night owl so started making myself go to bed earlier and started walking twice a week with a friend. Four months later my scan was NED and has stayed that way over two years later, touch wood! I’ve since introduced more, such as doing more exercise, introduced quite a few supplements, which my Onc is fine about, and try to meditate, try being the operative word, but it all helps! I started eating medjould dates which really helped with the sugar, and yes, they have a high natural sugar content but the high fibre makes it slow release, so don’t know if you could try those or not? Hope your chemo is going well, Kxx

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I agree.  I am having chemo right now so have not changed my lifestyle exactly because I need to eat what I can post-treatment which is organic chicken in jerk seasoning because it is one thing that tastes exactly the same to me and ready salted crisps. However, after the chemo is finished I am going to try to stick to a 80 vegan diet, eliminate sugar and do lots of exercise. Anything that might lower the risk of recurrance seems worth trying.  I used to love a weekend wine binge, I loved cheese, milk, red meat.  I have only really stopped the wine, but drink plant milk and less red meat and now eat goat's products.  My cholesterol and blood sugar improved drastically in the last 6 months and I feel in a better place pre-surgery. Diabetes is linked to more than one cancer it is also linked to pancreatis and liver I believe, so I am cutting down on carbs and sugar.

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So true Jules_91, couldn’t agree more! There are many factors involved with systemic diseases and unfortunately there isn’t a test to tell us exactly what’s caused our cancer but we can help ourselves going forward by respecting good research and making changes that, let’s be honest, make sense! Where is the research saying sugar is good for you??? If you prefer to carry on as before, then at least it’s an informed decision knowing that choice will increase the risk of recurrence and metastasis. I find it strange that people accept research about new treatments but often dismiss it when it involves lifestyle changes. 

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Well, I think we all take these things seriously then make the choices that are right for us & that we can follow through on. I take note of evidence, but I do not feel dictated to by it.
Yes, I did have a wine o’clock habit & dense breasts which wouldn’t have helped, or it may have happened anyway, I don’t know 🤷‍♀️
So now, I still enjoy a glass of wine, but in moderation of course & I feel comfortable with this.
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And there is a lot of sugar in alcohol. I am diabetic and think sugar is poison and a massive health problem. There are many reasons for cancer with genetics, obesity, dense breasted women more prone. Alcohol is not the only culprit but the research shows it is a risk. The study was researched over a long period. I think it should be taken seriously
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Exactly, because cancer is a systemic disease, not caused by one factor. This type of research isn’t saying if you drink you’ll get cancer, or eat sugar and you’ll get cancer it’s saying if you do those things you will increase your chance or risk of getting it. There are always stories and cases of people who did everything right but still get it, likewise those who smoke 60 a day and don’t, but for the majority these are factors to consider. Then, as said, if they’re not for you then ignore them and carry on as you wish, but at least it will be an informed choice not one made thinking chocolate and sweets are good for you! 

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All I know is clean living non smoking, non drinking, non sugar eating people get cancer too , my dear mum included who couldn't have been healthier, We have super fit ladies here who were diagnosed just after running marathons. There is no one size fits all , every walk of life gets cancer so it cannot be down to one factor. Jo xx 

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Cancer is systemic and isn’t the result of one thing, so having drunk or not having drunk alcohol isn’t the only factor. Research shows it does increase your risk of developing, or recurrence of breast cancer. The same with sugar, there is now no doubt processed sugar is a promoter of cancer, if you think the research isn’t conclusive then ask how often over recent years have you seen research saying sugar doesn’t promote cancer? Dairy, cow in particular is another...I don’t understand when research is from a reputable source and repeatedly coming out how we can afford to just ignore or dismiss it, surely it should be respected and considered? Then if it isn’t for you, fair enough ignore it, but make an informed choice, knowing the facts. 

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Interesting..........I haven't had an alcoholic drink in 30 years, but I still got BC!

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They have 20% more hazard than ladies who don’t drink liquor, over the top liquor utilization is likewise known to build the danger of different diseases.Yes alcohol is cause of breast cancer

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Definitely some food for thought here! 

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Hi Mai 7

 

The wording of your post really struck a chord with me-since my diagnosis  8 years ago I too have spent my days looking at ways to stay alive rather than living. Definitely food  for thought as some days I feel like a machine and have lost spontaneity  so thank you for your post!

 

Best wishes to all for 2018 x

 

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Interesting article FECinhell. Thanks for sharing.  I quit alcohol as soon as I was diagnosed.  I also quit dairy products even though there is currently no medical evidence that eating dairy has any connection with BC, I'm not taking any chances as I'm ER/PR+.  

https://www.forksoverknives.com/7-ways-milk-and-dairy-products-are-making-you-sick/#gs.UJ1u09o

oh how we spend so much time now looking at ways to stay alive now rather than living!

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