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Gracey
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23-07-2017
08:27
Whilst reviewing this site for potential complementary alternatives to help my wife overcome her ER+ BC, I came across mention of Bee Propolis for the first time. This looked promising so I decided to research the product a little more and found on the website foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/honey the following article: Propolis and royal jelly are not recommended Propolis (also known as bee glue or hive dross) is a waxy resinous substance used by honeybees in hive construction and maintenance. It is made by bees from plant resins, essential oils and pollen. The chemical composition of propolis can vary greatly from region to region. Propolis has been used in traditional medicine to treat a variety of ills and it continues to be used today. Propolis contains several compounds with suspected or demonstrated anti-cancer effects, including chrysin, caffeic acid phenethyl ester, and galangin. Brazilian propolis has been shown to suppress tumor-induced angiogenesis, apparently through action of its component artepillin C (i.e., 3,5-diprenyl-4-hydroxycinnamic acid, typically not found in propolis of European origin). However, Brazilian propolis has also been found to cause acute kidney failure. Propolis has been shown to produce estrogenic effects in human breast cancer cells through activation of estrogen receptors. One 2016 study reported that Turkish propolis in low doses protected ER+/PR+ breast cancer cells by inhibiting cellular apoptosis (programmed cell death). We do not recommend taking propolis as a dietary supplement. Royal jelly is a bee secretion that is used to feed the larvae in a honey bee colony. It has traditionally been thought to improve menopausal symptoms. Royal jelly has been found to have estrogenic effects in human breast cancer cells, enhancing their proliferation. It should also be avoided by breast cancer patients, survivors and those at high risk. In respect of the above I will not be pursuing this as a complementary measure for my wife. has anyone any information contrary to the above? I would be most grateful for any advice in helping wifey get over this. Many thanks.
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10-07-2017
02:06
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When my wife was diagnosed I immediately researched diet to help her condition and found Jane Plants books but found some of it a little confusing. Her cancer was a hormone reliant cancer and so many of the complimentary medicines, herbs etc. that Jane recommended had plant hormones in them that I was unsure if we should use them. we raised it with her consultant who gave a wry little smile and humoured us with some advice on following a normal balanced and healthy diet, however her oncologist was a little more optimistic and said he had shared a platform with Jane. He went on to say that there was some very good points to the Plant Programme, most notably an increase in fresh and organic fruit consumption; he also said some of it was a little hocus pocus. My wife reduced her intake of dairy, switching to plant based alternatives which, in time she has come to enjoy. She still takes a little cheese occasionally, but we went mad for the smoothies. Lots of berries, Bramleys, fennel, water cress, carrots, avocados, oranges and bananas...you get the drift? At the same time my wife was prescribed Letrozole to reduce the size of the tumour. The tumour shrunk by 80% and her date for surgery was brought forward by just over a month as a consequence. It may wholly have been her response to the Letrozole that caused the tumour to shrink as it did but I like to think that the small dietary steps we took and her daily glasses of fruit-chemo played some part. since her op, and she is just starting radiotherapy, I have continued to make her smoothies and I think this is a lifestyle change we will continue with.
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06-12-2016
06:20
Thank you and thanks to all the other Ladies who took the time to reply, it is great to have somewhere to bounce these ideas off. We are unaware of anyone in our group of friends who has had a similar condition so having somewhere to contact others who have had the experience my wife is going through is very helpful. We have decided to follow, in some aspects, the Jane Plant diet. Wifey will not be taking any supplements recommended by Jane as a lot have had a bad press and we cannot be certain we are doing the right thing. We will be looking closely at Sage to help her with the hot flushes, especially at night when they are at their worst. Getting up at 4.30 to make juice, lunch and breakfast is definitely a labour of love, but one that ultimately will return the results we need. Surgery for this coming Thursday is cancelled to treat the bc and make it shrink to an operable size; at present it is 25mm. Consultant doesn't believe Chemo is necessary and prognosis looks very good. Surgery now planned for mid January. Thanks again for your support and no doubt I will be looking for further advice as the treatment progresses. Gracey
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02-12-2016
09:50
I posted this in the wrong spot so have moved it here. Apologies. Could the administrator remove it from the Hormone Therapy board please. Ladies, my wife received a positive diagnosis for bc earlier this week and as you can imagine I am trawling through books and the internet to find ways to help in her recovery. We are told she has a grade 2 tumour but will later today be told if it is an oestrogen feeder (no chemo) or other type of tumour that will require chemo. We will also get the results of her bone scan, but other scans suggest no spread to other organs or lymph glands. (Fingers firmly crossed) MRI yesterday to determine the actual size but Surgeon thinks it is about 20 to 25 mm which will allow him to operate next Thursday. Any bigger and he will treat to shrink the tumour before removing it. I do all the cooking at home and am looking at ways to improve diet. I am currently rushing through the Jane Plant books and have reviewed the pros and cons of the diet both on this forum and on other websites. The frustrating thing is we already eat well; lots of pulses, lots of fresh fruit and vegetables, possibly a bit too much meat and alcohol. We only reintroduced dairy into our diet recently due to a health condition I have. I have researched selenium, zinc and brewers yeast as possibly beneficial supplements and this led me to a product called Biobran that looks a bit too positive and more studying is required to make sure it is not a scam. My wife has been advised to stop her HRT and the breast nurse suggested Black Cohosh as an alternative to stop the nighttime hot flushes that plague her, others have told us this has potential side effects that could worsen her condition and Sage has been suggested instead of the Black Cohosh. The wife is one of the most positive people I know and she sees this as just a burden that she will overcome, so if positive outcome can help, she has it in bundles. Our consultant has been very helpful, very positive and has given us lots of hope. we are at the beginning of a road well trod by you ladies here and any suggestions, help, direction would all be greatly received.
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02-12-2016
05:31
Ladies, my wife received a positive diagnosis for bc earlier this week and as you can imagine I am trawling through books and the internet to find ways to help in her recovery. We are told she has a grade 2 tumour but will later today be told if it is an oestrogen feeder (no chemo) or other type of tumour that will require chemo. We will also get the results of her bone scan, but other scans suggest no spread to other organs or lymph glands. (Fingers firmly crossed) MRI yesterday to determine the actual size but Surgeon thinks it is about 20 to 25 mm which will allow him to operate next Thursday. Any bigger and he will treat to shrink the tumour before removing it. I do all the cooking at home and am looking at ways to improve diet. I am currently rushing through the Jane Plant books and have reviewed the pros and cons of the diet both on this forum and on other websites. The frustrating thing is we already eat well; lots of pulses, lots of fresh fruit and vegetables, possibly a bit too much meat and alcohol. We only reintroduced dairy into our diet recently due to a health condition I have. I have researched selenium, zinc and brewers yeast as possibly beneficial supplements and this led me to a product called Biobran that looks a bit too positive and more studying is required to make sure it is not a scam. My wife has been advised to stop her HRT and the breast nurse suggested Black Cohosh as an alternative to stop the nighttime hot flushes that plague her, others have told us this has potential side effects that could worsen her condition and Sage has been suggested instead of the Black Cohosh. The wife is one of the most positive people I know and she sees this as just a burden that she will overcome, so if positive outcome can help, she has it in bundles. She is being treated by Nicolas Beechey-Newman who has been very helpful, very positive and has given us lots of hope. we are at the beginning of a road well trod by you ladies here and any suggestions, help, direction would all be greatly received.
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