breast cancer & dairy link

Hi Sue,

Lovely to hear from you xx.

and thank you for the Cancer research link…Cancer Research UK are a great resource…just read through the link,but the research quoted- some of them are a little out of date and seem to be in conflict with each other… i often find that on that site…tho they do cite hard cheese as one of the fats to keep a watch on.

Here are a couple of more  recent study links ive just been reading…one relates to Prof jane Plant again, who has written yet another book and is pretty emphatic!

 

The other, again goes into quite a bit of detail…see what you think ladies, I must admit I personally am tending towards your poit of veiw and thinking of cutting down a bit more on it myself now,.

 

see what you think afterwards…make your own  choices

canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3560

telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/healthyeating/10868428/Give-up-dairy-products-to-beat-cancer.html

Best wishesxxx

moijan???

Thank you Moijan,
I look forward to reading the articles.

Sonia x

Thank you Sue,

 

as you will have read, I personally have been  eating quite a lot of Dairy products…(have been for about 12 years) and I didnt start this thread…but I am quite pleased that people are looking at research…as cancer warriors 

 

i feel ths is what we should be doing…on every topic we discuss…( unfortubately this doesnt always happen) and not be swayed by other peoples arguments… I think we should support oneanother in deciding to have an alternate view.

 

i feel it is healthy to query things for ourselves and I also believe that it is useful to take a stance…any stance, doesnt matter which, to promote our own feeling of being in control and so, if X Wants to cut out dairy or sugar, which we have also discussed…then I would support that view…

 

i have just read your latest research link, …Im not absolutely convinced…i tend to sympathse with Jane Plants view about the power of the dairy industry…at any rate I remain a healthy scepticism…

 

we have all heard about ‘the power of big pharma’ relating to the cancer drug industry…so im sitting on the fence a bit for now.

 

hugs,

 

Moijan???

Hi Sue, Moijan,
I still find it staggering how the incidence of Breast Cancer in Asian countries (where they do not consume dairy) is so low compared to western countries where the incidence (1 in 8) is frighteningly high. I am fairly sceptical about some of the medical research (and I come from a medical family) when the incidence of Breast Cancer is continuing to increase especially amongst young healthy women who simply don’t fit into the high risk category for Breast Cancer. For me dairy is off the menu because of the overwhelming statistics for breast cancer compared to non dairy eating Asian countries. It is good to have debate & I totally respect other readers views on the subject whether you may be in or out of the dairy camp. Certainly makes for interesting reading. S xx

Hi Moijan,
Thank you for your message. I did read the articles you sent with great interest. No medical research documents will convince me that dairy does not influence excess estrogens in the body which could contribute (amongst other things probably) to the mutation of cells leading to breast cancer. When you do give up dairy (and we should probably look at red meat also) your body feels very different (as previously said you don’t get swollen breasts before a period) and it is a great way to loose weight also. My eldest daughter (aged 11) is allergic to dairy whilst she is very sporty she eats like a horse.
Compared to her class mates she is really long & lean & I suspect will reach puberty later than them (another contributing factor to the development of BC). Her sister by contrast is a bit round, probably doesn’t eat as much as Florence but does have dairy.
I also work with a nutritionalist called Kate Cook, she has written a number of books & also avoids dairy because of the breast cancer link.
As you said in a previous post, if your breast cancer is hormone receptive then it may be beneficial to give up dairy.
I have tried most of the dairy free milks & I think my favourite has to be oat milk. Non of the milks quite taste the same in cereal but are nice in porridge. It is best to get an oat milk that uses rapeseed oil instead of sunflower oil. Apparently sunflower oil contains too much omega 6 which again isn’t great whereas rapeseed oil contains omega 3 which is much better. What about turmeric as an anti cancer supplement, any thoughts?
Lovely to chat to you Moijan. You seem to be extremely knowledgeable in your research. S xx

Hi Sonia and Sabine,

 

how are things going now?

 

Moijanxx

Hi

 

this is a proper scientific article published in 2009 re some of the questions we have with regards to dairy and meat. It is not tainted by the wish to sell books, public speaking, supplements, etc.

It is based on a large base of participants, which is so essential in assessing risks properly.

Draw your own conclusions - The study was approved by the International Agency for Research on
Cancer

ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/3/602.short

 

Sue xx

Hi Sue,
Thank you for posting the research paper regarding the consumption of dairy, eggs & meat.
I note that the research was done between 1992 & 2003. I wonder if anything has changed regarding milk production since this time? It is amazing how milk is so cheap today. Are they giving the cows a different feed to produce more milk perhaps?
Do you have a view on the dairy free Asian diet where in incidence of breast cancer as so low?
Not disputing the article at all just interested in what if anything may have changed since this research was conducted. S xx

Hi Sue,
Thank you for responding to my message. It is interesting regarding the fertilizers, pesticides ect. I have also started to become more aware of household cleaners ect and have changed all my chemical laden products to more natural alternatives. I will look at the article regarding the incidence for cancer in China, thanks for that. For now I am still off the dairy as I really have acquired a taste for the alternatives. Did have a naughty cupcake today though! I know alcohol is supposed t effect oestrogen & could possibly contribute to BC. I did ask my oncologist if Tamoxifin could possible dance out the estrogenic effect of alcohol!!! I don’t drink much but would like to think I could have that extra glass of wine without fear. He told me he had never been asked that question but would look into it!!! I will report back. I must ask him about diet also. Thanks again. S xx

 

Hi Sue, 

Re your comment on alcohol…and “lack of evidence that it constitutes a risk”

 

 Im feeling a little confused now - has there been new research out on this topic, since Catherine Priestley, Clinical Nurse Specialist at Breast Cancer Care, gave a warning in one of BCC’s statements in May this year?

breastcancercare.org.uk/about-us/media/clinical-statements/new-studies-offer-insight-diet-alcohol-breast-cancer-risk

 

kind regards, Moijan.

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Hi Rebecca Sabhope and Sonia,

 

just wanted to wish you all a great xmas.  This season will challenge us food wise, wont it?

 

i have managed to avoid alcohol for the most part so far…( due to avoiding reflux) and have had to drink a little extra milk to offset various symptoms!

 

Sonia, this quetion is just for you really, do you have any idea if Almond milk is as effective to drink when you get reflux…? So far milk seems to nip it in thte bud…because of my background I know all the health advice stuff obviously, but am interested in your experience of the alternative milks.

 

anyway, do have a great xmas

 

Moijan???

Hi Moijan,
Lovely to hear from you & a very happy Christmas to you too.
Just drinking a coconut flat white as we speak!
I am not sure if any milk alternatives will help with reflux as I think it may be the protein element of cows milk which helps.
3 years ago I unfortunately ended up in a coma after a simple tonsillectomy!! Long story but a few months after coming out of intensive care, I lost my voice. I was under the care of an ENT specialist who advised that the only way to get my voice back was to stop any acid from doing further damage to my vocal chords. I was prescribed an antacid (cant remember the name but the list of side effects was as long as my arm!), he also said I must stop having any caffeine. I stopped taking the prescribed medication & started taking Gaviscon. Long story short, I got my voice back. I would suggest therefore that Gaviscon is v.effective for reflux & avoiding the obvious things like caffeine, spicy food ect. You could also try making custard/semolina with a dairy free milk to help line your stomach from the effects of too much acid? I will let you know if I have any other tips. Hope you feel better soon. S xx

Thank you Sonia, funny you should mention voice, because I used to sing in choirs, dont now, but in church I notice some parts of my range are all mucusy and great globs of mucky stuff gets coughed out sometimes, tasting of acid.

 

I think ts the eribuln oo hat causes he reflux as oher ladies have had it…the onc doesnt think so…but i suspect it isxx

will take your advice, thank you.

 

love and hugs,

 

Mojanxx???

 

Hi there Rebecca!

 

hope the infection clears up soon.

 

yes, I gave up dairy for several years…was very strict…have relapsed now as I get refux and milk helps…have also got  some degree of Osteporosis which im not blaming  a dairy free diet on, but I find its one way of getting my calcium.

 

I support your choice, I know I felt I had a sense of purpose which really helped me in those very difficult early years when I would have done anything to stop it returning. Now mine seems under control and I feel very blessed.  

 

I hope you had a good Christmas?  Do keep us posted as to how you get onxx

 

 

Moijan???

 

I am now swinging back to support the suggestion that dairy products increase the risk of breast cancer…

 

‘’this article was in canceractive this week…and I happen to believe there is enough doubt over this issue to deter me from using milk as a major source of protein or calcium…

 

‘’this is purely my opinion and for the moment,I’m sticking to it.’ Moijan

 

 

 

Does consuming milk cause cancer?

Back in 2003, CANCERactive presented Epidemiology studies from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden showing that, for prostate cancer, there was a straight line graph for cows’ milk consumption and risk – the more milk a man consumed (including butter, cream, cheese) the greater his risk of prostate cancer.

The same held true for breast cancer, although the correlation was not quite so exact. Then in Cancer Watch we covered several studies linking a heightened risk of ‘serious’ ovarian cancer with just a cup of milk a day (Suzanne C. Larsson, Leif Bergkvist, Alicja Wolk).

But, a few years ago Gosia Desmond, Director in Nutrition and a lecturer at The College of Naturopathic Medicine in the UK and in Ireland, wrote an article for us showing that the consumption didn’t have to be current – her research evidence showed a heightened risk of breast cancer where excess saturated fat was consumed during a woman’s formative teens. In Cancer Watch in 2011 (Johanna E Torfadottir et al, University of Iceland) and again in 2014 there is research saying the same holds true for teenage boys going on to develop prostate cancer later in life; with a finding that this prostate cancer can be more aggressive.
We warned against milk. And we adopted a ‘no cows’ dairy’ stance. But. The issue isn´t black or white. Maybe that´s not entirely correct.

 

What’s so bad about cows’ dairy?

 

Of course, it is true that cows grazing on land which last year grew a mass-market crop, may consume any pesticide used. And fat is a wonderful solvent, so the fat in milk products will likely bring the pesticides to your body. One answer might be to consume low fat milk and/or certified organic milk.

The next problem is the lactose contained in the milk. A basic sugar, which, like glucose, can be used as a fuel by cancer cells. It will also fuel yeast infections like candida and this can lead to leaky gut syndrome, fatigue and even depression. Yeasts can get into the blood stream and stick to cell membranes causing blockages of important messages.

 

Then there’s the protein. The extensive China Study (Professor T. Colin Campbell) warns against high consumption of milk protein and the links with cancers (such as liver cancer).

And the hormones. It doesn’t help that roughly 80 per cent of mass-market milk is derived from pregnant or recently pregnant cows; bringing a number of hormones you would rather have avoided. Again, fat is a wonderful solvent and can dissolve compounds you´d rather not have in your body.

For example, a ten-year study by the University of Helsinki (Adlercreutz et al, 1990) showed that increased milk and saturated fat consumption was linked with an increase in female oestrogens in the body. Another concern is growth hormone; specifically, Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1). It may help a calf become full size in about ten months but do you really need growth hormone helping your cells grow at this rate?

 

Breast cancer will often attack the patient’s bones. It has now been shown that the attack stimulates growth hormone production in the body, as the bones attempt to toughen up and withstand the attack. But the cancer loves growth hormone – it uses it to grow essential blood supplies to a tumour.

 

Finally, there is research (Nature, Dec 13th 2013) on the bacteria in your gut. When you consume milk products, the volumes of constituent bacteria in your gut change significantly and rapidly and the new colony has lowered plant-loving bacteria (for example, Firmicutes) but increases in protein-loving bacteria - and these produce highly inflammatory compounds. These are not confined to the gut but may pass into the blood stream. Inflammation can be the precursor to many chronic illnesses including cancer – it may also encourage metastases.

 

In 2016, research showed gut bacteria could even arrive in the breasts and bacteria may well play a role in breast cancer - there was a very different profile in a breast with cancer, to a breast that was healthy.

 

The benefits of cows’ milk?

So, does milk have anything going for it?

There is some evidence that the calcium in milk can reduce the risk of inflammatory polyps in the gut. You will find some cancer charities recommending consuming cows’ milk for this reason.

But you could gain more than enough calcium through eating one good helping of greens. Indeed in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPICN, 2008), the UK study concluded that both protein and calcium consumption from cows’ milk were linked to prostate cancer, whereas calcium from plant sources was not. One theory is that the flood of calcium in cows’ milk reduces magnesium absorption and blood levels of essential vitamin D.

The supportative evidence for cows’ milk also runs counter to the latest research on inflammatory gut bacteria, above.