Does using a body brush help

Hi

Just wondering if the gentle use of a body brush together with SLD would be at all beneficial or an absulte no no on LD areas

New to this and still exporing the best way forward

Thanks

Andie

Hi Andie

I have mild LD and determined not to let it get worse. I asked my LD nurse if dry skin brushing was OK as it is supposed to be good for lymphatic drainage. I am not sure if she really knew what I was talking about but said it should be OK as long as I do it gently, so I do.

Not sure if it is working on the LD but I have lovely smooth skin and no cellulite!

DaisyGirl xx

Hi Andie,

Long time no speak, how are you doing?

Where is your Lymphoedema? I have it in my arm and do use a body brush but you have to make sure you do it correctly. You have to start at the top of your arm, brushing gently upwards for four strokes, move down a little and do the same until you get to your wrist. Then do the next part of your arm until you have been all around. Doing this and the exercises means that I don’t need to wear a sleeve unless I am flying.

Hope this helps,

E

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Norberte

My reasoning is - I’m never sure that my sld by hand is the correct pressure. I understand that too much is bad, in fact can make the situation worse. With a brush I would just lay it on the skin and move it in the correct direction in smooth strokes. As an experiment I stood in front of the mirror watching if the skin moves and how much , and it does appear to be correct. Also with the LD in the breast I was told to try and move some of the fluid away under my arm towards my back , with a long handled brush that would be easier. I have been invited to a group session of massage instruction and advice next Wednesday, if I get a chance I will ask.

Also the advertising guff for body brushes say that they improve the flow of lymph in the body.

Embee nice to hear from you again, other than this LD in arm and chest I’m fine, You? Do you just use the body brush, or do you also do SLD by hand. Was it your idea or suggested by your LD health worker.

Thanks for you help ladies

Andie

Hi Andie,

To be honest there are so many thoughts about how to move the Lymph it is bewildering. My LD specialist has one thought and I know other people whose LDs have other thoughts. Lymph pathways run just under the skin but there are other pathways much deeper and stronger. I use either a body brush or my hand in the morning and then do deep massage every night. I was unable to wear a sleeve as I was allergic to the material so had to find another way. I can just about manage a four hour flight wearing a sleeve but by the end I am itching so much it is painful. The deep massage was my idea but my LD specialist was impressed at the reduction in my arm and said to continue.

When you had Rads did they zap the lymph glands in your neck? If so there is possibly nowhere to send the fluid over your shoulder, which was the case with me. Perhaps you should ask. I do my arm and then move to my groin on the affected side and work up to the underarm. Then I work from the good underarm across my chest to the bad underarm. Gentle in the morning, deep at night.

I would not use a long handled brush as you will have less control. Mine sits in the palm of my hand and has a handle which curves over my first finger giving me total control.

I also do exercises when I remember which I got off the haven website. thehaven.org.uk

Hope this helps,

Take care,

E

HI

I have done skin brushing in the past but stopped when I was diagnosed because in my head I thought it might move cancer cells around my lymph. This may be and I hope is complete twaddle because I’d like to do it. Can anyone assuage my fears?

Thank you

ALison

HI

I have done skin brushing in the past but stopped when I was diagnosed because in my head I thought it might move cancer cells around my lymph. This may be and I hope is complete twaddle because I’d like to do it. Can anyone assuage my fears?

Thank you

ALison

HI

I have done skin brushing in the past but stopped when I was diagnosed because in my head I thought it might move cancer cells around my lymph. This may be and I hope is complete twaddle because I’d like to do it. Can anyone assuage my fears?

Thank you

ALison

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Hi Norberte,

I am not talking about the kind of deep massage you would get with a beauty therapist. You use stroking for light lymph drainage but you use actual pressure for the deep. Place 3 fingers on your arm at the top and with reasonable pressure move your skin up and down 4 times. Then move your fingers down the width of your 3 fingers and do the same again, moving down until you reach your wrist. Then move on to the next part of your arm until you have been all around.

I would not suggest that anyone use the deeper massage without speaking first to their specialist. It has worked for me but we are all different. Light or deep massage must never ever be done if there is any infection in the arm as the infection will then move around the body.

Hope all that makes sense.

E

Hi Norberte

I am in a difficult position, the LD nurse I was referred to has advised that I have mild (4%) LD and because of this I don’t think she is taking me seriously. All I have been given is a sleeve and there has been no mention of special exercises (even though I asked) and I did not know about SLD before reading about in to this site. I asked her about dry skin brushing (DSB) because I had knowledge of this from years ago and she said this was OK but I am not sure she really knew what I was talking about. I am currently following the standard technique but this is because I do not know anything else.

I am currently trying to see a different LD nurse to see if I can be shown SLD and see how this fits in with DSB techniques. I am now also following the exercises from the Haven as recommended on here (I think maybe by you).

Really fed up that I seem to have to be finding these things out for myself all the time and pushing for treatment that should be standard!!!

DaisyGirl xx

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Have you thrown your hands up in the air in despair of us yet Norberte? That’s good, now keep them like that for an hour… see, your swelling is going down already! No, it’s not easy after about two minutes, is it?! Keep with the clenching fists too, pump that rotten old fluid away!

Notebooks for questions at clinic. Whenever you go to an appointment you just know you are bound to forget something so just have youself a list, and if possible write down the answers. They are quite used to it.

Hi Norberte,

Well, it works for me and I do put quite a bit of pressure on. Have you thought of having a proper lymphatic drainage massage and leaving out your arm. It will get the lymph flowing and hopefully your arm will join in. Might be worth sounding out a specialist.

E

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Hi

I went to our local Hospice today for a group session run by our LD nurses on massage instruction and advice.

Another lady asked about body brushes. The LD nurse reported that she had been at a seminar recently and the same question had been asked of a leading specialist in the LD fied. His answer was amibiguous, it hasn’t been proved to work instead of SLD but there is probably a place for it alongside SLD. Also the question was asked about the bath scrunchie things to be used in the bath to move the lymph towards the right place.The LD nurse thought they would be too harsh dry but OK with soap. Basically anything that encourages the lymph fluid to move away from the affected areas gently is OK.

Andie

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