Early enforced menopause for oestrogen positive breast cancer. Advice please.

Hello,

In October I was diagnosed with breast cancer, stage 1 but grade 3. I had 3 tumours. In November I had a mastectomy with Immediate implant reconstruction. My results showed I’m oestrogen positive. I am due to have radiotherapy. chemotherapy showed to be less than 1% effective for me on my Oncotype DX result so I’m not needing to have chemo.

I wondered if anyone can help regarding the hormone therapy. I am 43 years old and my consultant has suggested ‘switching off’ my ovaries and putting me into an early menopause so I can then have Letrozole. He has warned me about many side effects of an early enforced menopause and then the side effects of taking Letrozole for 10 years. Initially he had suggested I was to have Tamoxifen but now seems to favour Letrozole.

Has anyone else been in this situation? How did you find the early enforced menopause? How was Letrozole?

Any advice would be greatly received.

Thank you so much. X

Hello, 

I was diagnosed in April 2020 grade 3 ER+ Had surgery in May. 

Oncotype was 19 and I decided no chemo. I had 20 radiotherapy treatments. I started Zoladex injections which I have every 28 days and letrozole. I’ll have Zometa infusions every six months (I’m 48) 
The enforced menopause bit has been fine.  No periods after I had the first Zoladex. My skin which had been spot prone around period time is amazing I have to say letrozole is hard work but the alternative is worse! I have joint stiffness which is the worst side effect for me. I had an oncology appt a few weeks ago and hope the letrozole will be for five years :crossed_fingers:

Mel XX  

Hi Hope,

I was a similar age to you when I was diagnosed with a fair sized invasive ductal carcinoma lump (plus a separate patch of DCIS). They didn’t carry out the oncotype test as standard 6 years ago, however I was told I was borderline chemo but that it was not recommended by my onc, hence op and 20 x radio including boosters plus hormone therapy since oestrogen positive.

I was prescribed Tamoxifen, initially for 5 years. With the results of further research coming out at the 5 year check up point it was recommended that I have a further 5 years of hormone therapy. Periods had gone a bit gappy within a few months of starting Tamoxifen (which I understand is quite common). By the time of my 5 year review, the gap had been rather ever extending, so I was told I would need to change to Letrozole instead (by a locum I had never seen before, who knew less about the studies re pro’s and con’s of taking Tamo for the extra 5 years than I did).

Having done 5 years of Tamoxifen and considering that a further 5 years of hormone therapy at that stage of treatment would give some, but for me, statistically not mega amounts of benefits re bc, I wasn’t keen on taking Letrozole due to the risk of  impact on bones (impacts on bone being high on my radar after having had a secondary cancer scare (highly suspicious…thankfully turned out to be old fractured ribs).

After telling the locum my periods had been mega gappy for the 5 years on Tamoxifen, he somewhat begrudgingly sent me off for a blood test to check my hormone status. Which came back showing I was not menopausal and therefore was best continuing to take Tamoxifen (rather than Letrozole). Personally, I was relieved to hear that.

Perhaps try to get more info from your onc as to why they recommend Letrozole over Tamoxifen for you.

  • As far as I’m aware Letrozole doesn’t ‘switch off’ ovaries (see last line of extract from BCN leaflet below - link as attached) 
  • Letrozole works better than Tamoxifen at reducing oestrogen produced by cells in your body such as fat cells from reaching your breast tissue in women who are post menopausal.
  • Whereas Tamoxifen is better at blocking oestrogen from latching onto receptors in your breast tissue and hence generally seems to be thought best for women who haven’t gone through the menopause i.e. where the prime source of oestrogen is the ovaries. 

If that’s where the hesitation and change of oncologists mind from Tamo to Letrozole is, it might perhaps be worth asking if they think it would be helpful for you to have a blood test to determine hormone levels re which is best? 

Or are they planning on giving you a different combination of med’s to close down your ovaries, as well as giving you Letrozole - see links below and extract from the last leaflet on oestrogen suppression. (These are all from the main BCN website - info, publications, search) 

Hormone therapy - general

breastcancernow.org/information…. treatment…/ hormone - therap

Re Tamoxifen

breastcancernow.org/….treatment…/hormone-therapy/tamoxifen

Re Letrozole

breastcancernow.org/…treatment/hormone-therapy/letrozole-femara

Re ovarian suppression 

breastcancernow.org/information-support/facing-breast-cancer/going-through-breast-cancer-treatment/hormone-therapy/ovarian-suppression-breast-cancer

Extract - ** 5. Different types of ovarian suppression**

Ovarian suppression can be achieved by:

  • hormone therapy (drugs) – usually monthly injections
  • surgery

Your specialist team should help you decide which is best for you. Using hormone therapy is the only way of achieving ovarian suppression that may not be permanent. This may be something to consider when making your decision, especially if you want to have children.

Hormone therapy

Some drugs stop the ovaries from making oestrogen. They interfere with hormone signals from the brain that control how the ovaries work. 

  • Goserelin (Zoladex) is the most commonly used drug. It comes as an implant (a very small pellet) in a pre-filled syringe. It’s given as an injection into your abdomen (tummy) once a month. Find out more about how goserelin is given.
  • Leuprorelin (Prostap) is given as an injection once a month, or sometimes every three months.
  • Triptorelin is given as an injection once a month.
    Ovarian suppression combined with tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors

If you are having one of the above injection for ovarian supression this is often combined with another hormone therapy such as tamoxifen or drugs known as aromatase inhibitors. Research has suggested this may reduce the risk of the breast cancer coming back for some premenopausal women who have had chemotherapy.

There may be a small extra benefit having an aromatase inhibitor over tamoxifen but there might be different side effects to consider that can affect your quality of life. Your specialist will help you discuss the possible benefits and side effects.

_Aromatase inhibitors are not used on their own as hormone treatment in premenopausal women because they are not an effective treatment while the ovaries are still making oestrogen, but they can be given alongside goserelin, leuprorelin or triptorelin.  _Your specialist team will discuss with you what they recommend and why. 


I the above helps and would be interested to know which path of treatment you end up on.

 

Sending a hug - I know all this can be a tad confusing at times re what/why! All I can say is the locum would have put me on Letrozole (if I hadn’t pushed that I didn’t think I was menopausal and the blood test been done). Should add that’s been my only negative experience, usual onc’s great.

 

x Seabreeze (Now over 6 years on and doing ok) 

Hi Hope213

I’m sorry to hear that you are on this journey at a young age too. I could have been reading about myself when I read your post. I was diagnosed at 43, in Nov 2019, with 3 tumours (2 were grade 2 and one grade 3) but no lymph nodes affected so stage 1. I didn’t need chemo either as a result if the oncotype DX score just rads.

I started zoladex injections to put me into an early menopause last October and am tolerating them really well. The needle is big but I can honestly say it doesn’t hurt going in, so don’t be anxious about it, I’m sure you will be fine. I did have periods for the first two months and then nothing from the third month onwards. The plan was to go for an oophrectomy but to delay it due to the pandemic, but as time goes on I’m becoming more reluctant to put myself through more surgery. I’m on Tamoxifen rather than Letrozole so can’t comment on that. But as far as menopausal side effects go it is mainly hot flushes for me. Worse at bedtime, flinging the covers off etc, but they are starting to calm down a little bit now. My biggest fear was mood swings, but I do feel my moods have been pretty stable (my other half would probably tell you differently). I felt much more emotionally out of control just before my cancer was diagnosed, probably because my hormones had gone hay wire.

I do have a lot of tiredness but that is so difficult to pin down what is causing it, could be just lockdown fatigue! 

The other side effect I have noticed is hair thinning. So I tend to just wash mine once a week and treat it gently. I don’t straighten my hair every day now like I used to. My GP advised caffine shampoos but I haven’t tried them myself.

I don’t get much joint pain at all if any, I find exercise and yoga helps to keep little aches and niggles at bay.

My team wanted me to go onto Letrozole to begin with too, as a ‘belt and braces’ approach. Don’t forget you can always switch e.g do 2-3 years on Tamoxifen and then switch to AI’s. Ultimately it is your choice and what you feel most comfortable with.

Wishing you all the best 

Nameste