Mum diagnosed with stage 2

Hi,

I’m not really sure what to write here. I’ve just been scrolling through looking for positive stories.

My mum tripped coming down the stairs at the end of January. They gave her a CT scan to check all was ok with organs and bones. There was something on breast they saw so put referral to breast clinic. It said, small, round, 11mm, may be benign, previous cysts. I really struggle with health anxiety, especially with my parents. I’m in my 30s and my mum is 70, but your mum is always your mum isn’t she!

Since it wasn’t an urgent referral, it took about 6 weeks for appointment. She then had follow up, which was yesterday.

When she told me it was cancer I was devastated. They’ve said she’s to go for another 3d scan of the breast on Tuesday, supposedly this checks dense tissue.

They said it’s stage 2 and she’s started on hormone tablets. They’ve said surgery in May. Possible radiation but unsure just now. There doesn’t seem to have been a mention of chemo.

I am terrified of losing my mum.

I guess I’m worried the scan shows up a worse diagnosis. I just feel so emotional all of the time.

I know a lot of people on here have a lot bigger tumours and I would hate to upset anyone. I just felt like I needed to write my thoughts down and this seemed the best place.

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Hi @rose14 I fully understand about how distressing it can be when your beloved Mum has health issues as I was my Mum’s carer for a while and it’s hard. I was 66 when my own breast cancer was diagnosed, I am 70 now. More older women get breast cancer than younger but it often is not as aggressive. Looking at the positives, if Mum is being given hormone tablets (actually they are anti hormone in that they significantly reduce oestrogen) then she has what is called er+ cancer which is by far the most common (around 70% of breast cancers are this type) and the treatment path is very settled and well understood. It is the type I had myself. Obviously the MRI will give a clearer picture of the size of the lump but if it is around 11mm, that is considered very small. Originally mine was 9mm but when they got it out it was 14mm, anything under 2cm is considered small. Breast cancer is very treatable these days and, whilst it’s shock to be told you have it and easy to imagine the worst, there’s a much higher chance that your Mum will get through this and out the other side than she won’t. Treatment can be quite arduous, however, and it takes its toll on the body and the spirit. I don’t mean to sound patronising but your Mum is going to have to put herself first for a while and you can help her to do that by being strong. If you are able to help practically around her surgery by doing the shopping, cooking job lots or just sharing a coffee with her and having a chat, that will be a great help. She will be fatigued by the treatment, which is very normal, but it can last quite a while so just help as much as you can. Once your Mum knows her treatment plan, you can all feel a bit more in control and get your heads down to help her through it. Feel free to come back and ask questions when you know more, bear in mind we can only speak from experience but we do understand what she - and you - will be going through.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.

I’m so sorry you had to go through it. Do you mind me asking, did you have surgery and tablets or anything else too? How did the tablets make you feel? How long would you say it took you to recover from surgery?

The waiting is tough. I feel like getting told was a blow then I think, what’s coming from the next scan. I’m not sure if it’s an MRI, she just said a more in depth scan of breast.

Am I correct in saying that the hormone blockers are more effective than chemo on these types?

I have 2 young children, and my husband works away. I think I just feel a bit all over the place emotionally. I’m trying to tell myself that this will be fine, but there’s a part of me that is jumping to the other end and thinking, what if it spreads.

Do you still take the tablets?

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Hi @rose14 I was diagnosed in June 2022 and because the NHS was still recovering from focusing on Covid, I had various elements of treatment across six hospitals in two different health authorities. I had a lumpectomy in September and radiotherapy in November 2022. Yes I took a tablet called Letrozole for three and a half years although I was supposed to take them for five. I stopped with the agreement of my oncologist. It’s important to understand that responses to treatment are very individual and more women get through it without too many problems. If you read a lot of the threads on this forum, you will see the experience of women who had trouble with side effects so it’s easy to believe that this is how it will be for everybody but those who don’t have side effects don’t come on to the forum looking for support they don’t need.

So, in answer to your question, surgery was fine except I had liquid morphine squirted down my throat in the recovery room which made me vomit for 24 hours. I was sent home with a load of pain killers but didn’t need to take a single one - had no pain at all. Because the tumour was in the upper outer quadrant of my right breast, the surgeon was able to get the lump and lymph nodes out of the same incision, which helped. I stayed with my brother and SIL for the first five days as the general anaesthetic takes a while to get out of the system. Big tip - your Mum will be given exercises to do to help retain mobility in her shoulders and it is very important that she does these religiously. So surgery wasn’t a particularly big deal and recovery was quite quick after the first week. I went back for my results appointment about two and a half weeks later to be told that they had got clear margins and I had no lymph involvement so moved straight on to oncology where I was prescribed radiotherapy and 5 years of anti-oestrogen drugs.

I had 5 days of radiotherapy, which is quite an easy thing to do, each session takes about 5-10 minutes to line you up and the actual treatment takes less than a minute. It mops up any stray cancer cells that breaks off during surgery and may be lying around. The worst bit of radiotherapy was hanging around the hospital when the machines break down but, I have to say, all of the staff involved were absolutely lovely and very patient. It is quite common to get fatigue (which is generally described as tiredness which isn’t resolved by sleeping) and I was very fatigued for about ten weeks after radiotherapy finished. But it passed and some of the women I was treated with didn’t get it at all. As I say, it’s all very individual.

I did not have to have chemotherapy, in fact 65% of women with BC do not have to have it. The way it is usually determined is a sample of the tumour is sent to the USA for an Oncotype test and the result is a percentage chance of chemotherapy being effective. The medical team will decide whether it is appropriate to do an Oncotype test once they have seen the size and grade of the lump on excision and whether there are cancer cells in the lymph nodes. Chemo can be challenging but there is a lot of testimony on the forum from those who have had it, who say it wasn’t as bad as they’d feared. I’m afraid it may be some time before you know whether your Mum will have to have it or not so try not to fixate on chemo.

As for the drug, I took Letrozole, one of the aromatase inhibitors which are given to post-menopausal women with tumours which are fed by oestrogen. The side effects for these are often joint and muscle pain but I didn’t have any of that, I found that it affected my cognitive ability with brain fog and low mood so I asked to stop it after three and a half years. As I say, not everyone gets debilitating side effects so it’s best to try the drugs for six months at least to see. There are lots of different brands of drug and some people find that one particularly brand suits them best and can ask the GP to name that brand on the repeat prescription.

I can assure you that everyone who has any form of cancer fears that it is spreading before surgery but cancer usually takes years to grow big enough to be seen on scans and even longer for the lump to be palpable so it is unlikely for a few weeks or even months to make much difference in this regard. The active treatment that your Mum will have will be specifically designed to prevent a recurrence. It’s undeniable that some women do have recurrence, both local and distant but the majority don’t. There is no point in piling stress and pressure on yourself and your Mum by worrying about what might never happen. Just one thing at a time, one foot in front of the other, and you’ll get through it. It might be worth speaking to your GP and explaining the circumstances and how it is impacting you as there might be local support groups for relatives/carers (not that you’ll be a carer) or even a short course of something to get you over the hump until you know what you’re facing.

So sorry that this has been such a long post but I want you to understand that everything your Mum will go through is normal in the circumstances. 56,000 women get diagnosed with breast cancer every year and the survival rate is at an all time high. It’s not really considered “The big C” any more. Keep your chin up.

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Thank you so much for sharing your story. It is inspiring and your positivity shines through. I know I need to be strong and positive for my mum. Thank you again :purple_heart:

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Hi Tigress,

I just wanted to say that was such a lovely factually accurate reply.

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@rose14 Thinking of you and your lovely mum, wishing her well she’s very lucky to have such a caring and understanding daughter.

I can add anything to what @Tigress has already said, she has explained everything perfectly.

Wishing you both lots of happiness ahead.

Much love Tili :rainbow::folded_hands::rainbow::folded_hands:

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Thank you, I really appreciate you taking time to reply.

Hi,

I really hope you don’t mind me reaching out again. My mum had to go for another breast scan with a better imaging tool. They said it was to check dense breast tissue. Is that something you had? Another 2 week wait for biopsy results. From what I gather it’s to check tissue round the lump, and the diagnosis should not be too different from last week.

We had a lovely family weekend away together, it was strange as we forgot about wha was going on. However home now, and back to reality.

When reading your post, I feel like this is treatable, but I guess there’s a part of me that worries this doesn’t work. X

Hi @rose14 , absolutely no problem in asking your questions, we are here to help you get through a very upsetting situation if we can. In answer to this question, no I did not have to have further investigation due to breast density.

The scale for breast density is called the BI-RADS scale and rates density from A-D by quantifying the amount of breast tissue (which shows white on scans) against the amount of fatty tissue (that shows up grey on scans). The more breast tissue you have, the denser the breast, which is scored C or D with D being the densest. Many women have very dense breasts but they become less so as they age. For example, when I had my first mammogram after breast cancer treatment, aged 67, the radiologist told me that my breasts are “A verging on B” so not very dense at all. When I first had mammograms from the age of 50, I was rated the upper end of B so mine had got less dense as I aged. There’s no hard and fast rules about it though as many older women continue to have comparatively dense breasts as they age even if slightly less dense than when they were young, if that makes sense..

The issue is that breast cancer is breast tissue that has gone rogue. So on a scan, if there’s a tumour, which will show up white because it’s made of breast tissue, amidst a lot of normal breast tissue, which shows up white, it is difficult to spot how big the tumour is which is what leads to further screening, particularly MRIs. So the extra imaging and tests that your Mum has had is to make sure they have as clear an idea as possible on the size and location of the tumour. This can still change once they have got it out in surgery but generally they will have a good idea. The waiting is excruciating but it saves time in the long run for the medical team to get the best assessment they can so they can plot the best, most efficient treatment plan that they can.

It’s good news that they are expecting the diagnosis to be the same after the latest scan, it suggests that they are just looking at size. Obviously I don’t know the histology of your Mum’s tumour but the chances of your Mum getting through treatment and being told that she is cancer free is extremely high, it just can be a challenge to get through some of the treatments. I’m so pleased that you had some quality time together as a family, I’m sure there will many more such occasions in the years to come. If you have any questions as you go through this, please ask. Don’t forget, you can always call one of the BC Now nurses on 0808 800 6000 between 9.00-16.00 M-F and 9.99-13.00 on Saturdays if you’d prefer to speak to someone. They won’t rush you and you can tell them your fears and ask for advice on all sorts of issues. Your Mum has raised a good, caring daughter and I wish the best for both of you.

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Thank you so much. I really appreciate all of your time and information. It’s really useful to get clear information.

I guess, I’m really scared that after this 2nd biopsy or surgery, things are drastically worse compared to what we have been told just now. I just felt panicked she was getting another scan and biopsy. However, surely if they said stage 2 and gave her a rough plan, then they wouldn’t say this if unsure?!

I know I need to keep a positive mindset, I’ve found it really useful speaking to you; you seem so positive!

Thank you for passing the number on. :purple_heart:

I’m sorry @rose14 but there’s no certainty until after surgery. There are many cases where things change once the tumour is extracted and rigorously tested, particularly around the size and the histology. In the meantime they could be checking for example that there are no other small tumours in the same breast which could mean the difference between lumpectomy and mastectomy for example. Stage 2 usually refers to a tumour being over 20mm or under 20mm with potential for cancer cells in the lymph nodes but either way Stage 2 has a very good prognosis. I really do think it would be worth your while giving the nurses a call tomorrow and they will explain to you that the process that is going on now is completely normal but that there can be no definite diagnosis until surgery has been performed. Can you find 10-15 minutes to do that? I think you’d feel better after actually speaking to someone who is very experienced in it all.

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Thank you very much.

I think I will give them a call. I really appreciate all your guidance and support. :purple_heart:

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