stage 4 - Oligiometastatic disease

Hello.

Ive been posting on a few breast cancer boards looking to contact with others who have been in a similar situation.

I was diagnosed with a new primary breast cancer in June 2010.Er+,Her2-.My onc ordered a CT scan and bone scan.My bones and liver were clear.But a single 4.5cm lung met was also discovered in my left lung.I was devastated,being only 33 yrs old and had almost made it 5 yrs since my first diagnosis of breast cancer in the right breast.Im negative for the BRCA genes.

I immediatly hit the internet to research.I googled single lung metastasis and breast cancer.The term oligiometastatic disease came up.That was me.Apparantly it accounts for only 1-5% of the MBC population so studies are limited.But, the studies that are available mostly out of MD Anderson Cancer Center in the US,explaine that oligiometastatic disease should be treated aggressivly rather than pallitivly.This is in hopes for a long remission or possible chance at a cure.I began to have hope and returned to my onc to talk about treatment.

Well,I told my onc that I wanted to be treated aggressivly and have the lung met removed.His response was this "it doesnt work that way."He gave me the option of starting Femara,I had my ovaries out already,or starting chemo.My gut and my research said chemo.I had a 6cm breast tumor and a 4.5cm lung met.Why would I start hormonals and wait 2-3 months to be re-scanned to see if anything was working?My tumor was fast growing,chemo was the only thing to get it under control.So I started chemo the next day,my 33rd birthday.i was put on Gezmar/Cisplatin.I then fired that oncologist because of his unwillingness to treat me aggressive.I was refered to another oncologist at a larger center.He had the same views as my first one.I fired him.I was then refered to a woman oncologist who dealt more with breast cancer.

At our first meeting I came armed with the studies from the internet and demanded to be treated aggressivly.She had her pesimistic views saying that I am young and younger womans cancers are more aggressive ect.She also said that that cancer would most likely pop up elsewhere since it has most likely already travelled through the blood.I said I understood everything but I am willing to take my chances.She agreed to treat me agressivly and would refer me to a thoracic surgeon.I then had a CT scan half way through my chemo.The 6cm breast mass was gone,and the 4.5cm lung met was 1.3cm x 1.7cm.My oncs reaction, “amazing”.She advised me to finish with my chemo rounds and to see the thoracic surgeon.I finished chemo and my thoracic surgeon ordered a PET scan to rule out further metastasis.He also ordered a lung functioning test and head CT scan.My head CT scan was clear.My PET scan showed 1cm of mild/moderate uptake in my lung,lung met was 4.5cm.No evidence of disease in my breast,breast tumor was 6cm.My surgery is a go!my thoracic surgeon not once said that i was unable to have surgery but actually agreed with me that it should be removed.

I am having a left mastectomy and an upper left lung lobectomy Jan 6th.I then will be having radiation to the breast area and put on Femara.

I have been in contact with 5 woman in the US who have had the same situation as myself.They all had there <3 lung lesions removed and have been NED.They range from 3-12yrs.Some had chemo,a couple did not.

I have been off chemo for 7 weeks and my energy is back.Im actually glad that I have been proactive and did not listen to my first onc.I see other woman from various boards and wonder if they know themselves that they have options and can be treated with “curative” attempt.I think a lot of ocologists out there are still stuck with the stigma of metastatic disease,when in fact there is a subset of woman who can be potentially cured.

Thats my story.i hope I can connect with others.Merry christmas to all, and a healthy new year.

Thank you for listening,
2x in Canada

Hi 2x,

Good for you sticking to your guns. It’s never easy going against the specialists advice but things change and as treatments get better who knows what’s ahead. I admire your spirit. It’s hard enough coping with the disease and the fallout without having to do battle with your medical team as well. I’m so glad your results have been good so far. You have a way to go yet but you’ll get there.

Happy Christmas and best wishes for a better 2011.

Jan xx

Thank you Jan.
And a happy and healthy new year to you as well.

I wanted to post my story not only hoping to meet other woman in a similar situation but to also help woman who may come down a similar path in the future.I’m going to post a few links/studies, explaining oligiometastatic disease to help explaine what it is and treatment options for the newly dignosed woman with secondary breast cancer.Or what we refer it to in Canada MBC (metastatic breast cancer).

A very good article:

theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/cgi/content/full/8/3/241

Another great article

jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/102/7/456.full

Bumping this, and adding that I’ve met others in the same position (ie with a single met at diagnosis), now NAD years on after aggressive treatment.

Hi 2x,
I think you and I have spoken by PM, but it’s great to see you posting because there are so few of us on this site who are being treated curatively. Consequently, it’s difficult to obtain support, or understanding (as people don’t relate or understand our experience). If you contact the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Centre, they have a volunteer network who will put you in touch with patients who have been through curative treatment for metastatic cancer. I am currently in touch with a lady called Beverly, who was diagnosed with metastatic cancer 21 years ago. She had it in her liver, lungs, spine and bone marrow, but she’s still here to tell the story.
Keep your chin up.

Hi 2x

I just wanted to say thsnk you for raising awareness of possible curative treatments for secondaries, and also well done for sticking to your guns and taking control of your treatment. All the very best

Vickie

Lemongrove!

Nice to hear from you again.I did take your advice and called MD Anderson I think the match program is called called Inmern Angels.Anyways,I was matched with a very nice lady in Houston Texas.She called me and introduced herself and told me she was in the same situation,had her single lung met removed and was put on Tamoxifen.That was 12 yrs ago and she has been NED.We exchanged email adresses and will be keeping in contact.

Thank you Vickie for your well wishes :slight_smile:

I felt very strongly that I should put out Oligiometastasis.Since it is new in coming out.There are not a lot of long term studies out, but they are heavily needed.Woman NEED to know,if they are considered oligiometastatic that THERE ARE other options that could potentially impact survival.

When I think back to my previous oncologist and his doom and gloom thinking, I am angered.Its like he gave up on me.But I did not give up and pushed.These oncologists NEED to get updated in metastatic disease.Always get a second opinion or a third!My second oncologist told me that I was not able to remove the lung met because of where it was positioned in the lung.He told me this WITHOUT sending me to a thoracic surgeon first.That was a big red flag and I got rid of him too.
When I saw my thoracic surgeon 4 weeks ago and got my PET scan results,he burst into the room and said 'surgery is a go!We’ll get this done ASAP.'I started to cry.I told him about the two oncologists who blew off my idea of an agressive approach to treatment and surgery.He just shook his head and agreed that the remaining cancer in the lung should be removed.Finally someone who knew what to do.

I will post some more articles and continue to update as I go along.Wish me luck on my surgery.

2x

PUB Med Article

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21107788

For woman with few lung metastasis.Look at the survival statistics!

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12204720

Just want to wish you good luck with your surgery and a speedy recovery 2x

Jan xx

Hi 2x

I’m so glad you have joined us - I’m another pursuing the curative route. I was diagnosed with a single spine met at original dx just over a year ago. I wasn’t aware of the Andersen research at the time, but it just seemed logical to me that an aggressive approach to early mets could result in improved outcomes. So I had chemo, Avastin, zometa and rads to the breast and persuaded the rads onc to give me a curative rads dose to the spine - she took quite a lot of persuasion but eventually agreed. I plans to have any recurrences treated very aggressively too.

I started a discussion of this on the bone mets thread recently as there seem to be so many newly diagnosed with secondaries that are only being offered hormone therapy. We really need to raise awareness of the alternatives.

finty xx

thank you for the welcome finty :slight_smile:

It’s good to see woman like yourself and Lemon posting on support boards.I agree with Lemon that it is hard to get support or meet others in the same situation because we seem to be a minority.But oligiometastasis does exist and has different treatment options available than the current standard for stage 4 disease.

I have recently came across a woman just diagnosed with 1 bone lesion.All other areas are clear,she is Er+ and in her 40’s.She is obviously upset and trying to make sense of it all.her oncologist puts her on hormones with Zometa and says see you in 3 months.Other woman posted welcoming her and talked about their own treatment which consists of the same regime.Most of these woman have multiple/extensive bone mets.She has expressed that her treatment regime seems relaxed and doesnt see how this makes sense.I sent her a private message saying that she is right,it doesnt make sense and this is why.I hope she checks her messages.

I am having my mastectomy and lobectomy on Thursday.I’m very nervous and scared.please keep me in your thoughts.I hope this surgery is going to be succesful of riding myself of this cancer.

Bless you.
I will indeed be thinking of you tomorrow (6th) and wishing you well.
You must be so anxious and nervous, waiting like this…
It is such a difficult time for you.
I will hold you in my heart as I wish and hope that your treatment/op flows very smoothly for you.

Take heart, we are all waiting to hear how you progress when you feel able to return to the forum.

With the bestest wishes I can send,
Welsh girl xx

Hi 2x, found your thread interesting. I had Mx and anc, awaiting chemo. Clear scans, so not in your situation that I know of.

Just wanted to add my good wishes for your Op. You have fought hard for this, what you’re doing really makes sense. It’s a big Op and you’re bound to be feeling nervous, it’s only natural. remember your surgeon is very much on your side.

Wishing you a swift recovery. You’ll feel so much better afterwards. Take care, all the best Pxxx

Hi 2x

I will be thinking of you and looking forward to hearing from you soon. Do you know how long you will be in hospital after the op? Hope you can get to a laptop soon to tell us how you are doing.

Good luck,
finty xxxx

Hi 2x,

Will keep you in my thoughts tomorrow & send you all the love,luck & best wishes in the world.

Sarah.xxxx

hi 2x,

I will be thinking (&praying, if thats ok) for you tomorrow. I hope the op goes smoothly and your recovery is quick.

When you are up to it do please come back and let us know how you are.

Love Julie x

Thank you all for the kind thoughts.it means a lot.it is 2AM here and I’m in my hospital bed.Seems I can only sleep here and there.the nurses are wonderful.

Surgey went well.my thoracic surgeon will be popping in tomorrow am.he did tell my husband that they did it the VATS method but had to make a bigger incision to reach the tumor.supposidly the tumor is deep in the lung.

The mastectomy is fine.I had a sentinel node biopsy done the other day to determine lymph node involvment.I did this to avoid lymphidema ect.my nodes look to have been clear.my nurse said there is no incision.from the beguinning they were clear on my ultrasound and Ct scan when I was first diagnosed.But I’m still getting radiation to the area,that is a must.I already have lymphadema in my right arm from my 1st breast cancer disgnosis 5 yrs ago
I’m of course curuios to the pathology report.that’s always a hard wait.
I’m hoping to be home in 3days.pain is minimal they gave me an epideral.Works like a charm.excuse my typing I am on my phone.
Will update more later.thank you all for being in my corner.

2x