Three Breast Cancers in one breast - how is this possible

2nd journey

My first journey with breast cancer began in February 2023, when I went for a routine mammogram in a mobile van in a car park in Potters Bar. Little did I know then how much my life would change in the next year and a half.

I was feeling healthy and fit at the time, having just turned 60 and keeping up with my running schedule four times a week. I weighed about 9st and was 5ft 6in tall. I drank moderately and ate a balanced diet for most of my adult life. I had no reason to worry about my breast health.

So when I received a letter saying that they wanted me to come back for another scan, I thought it was a technical glitch. I even phoned them to ask if there was a problem with the equipment. I went along with the appointment, not feeling anxious at all. We even stopped at Ikea on the way for some meatballs.

At the clinic, they did an ultrasound and told me they had found a small area of concern that looked like cancer. I was shocked, but not scared. The woman who did the biopsy said it was so tiny that they were testing a new procedure to remove it under local anaesthetic, and asked me if I wanted to take part in the trial. I agreed, thinking it would be a quick and easy solution.

But then, in March, I met the breast surgery team, who gave me a different story. They said the biopsy showed that I had grade 3 cancer, which meant it was fast-growing and aggressive. It was also estrogen positive, which meant it was fuelled by hormones. They said I needed surgery and possibly radiotherapy, but they couldnā€™t do it on the NHS until May at the earliest, and they werenā€™t sure about the date. Thatā€™s when I started to panic. We decided to pay for the operation privately, which cost us Ā£13,500.

At the private clinic, they did the surgery and told me subsequently they had got rid of all the cancer, and it hadnā€™t spread to my lymph nodes. My husband and I cried with relief. But in May, we met the oncologist, who said I still needed chemo, radiotherapy and hormone pills for 10 years. She said it was because of the type of cancer I had, and that the treatment should start in two weeks. She told me to go to the dentist, have a heart check, get a covid booster and buy a wig. I did everything she said, and started the chemo.

The first four rounds of Doxorubicin were awful. I threw up all the time, even when I tried to walk to flush out the chemo. I lost my hair and felt every side effect. I kept a record of how I felt each week, hoping it would get better. The oncologist said the next stage, Plaxitaxel, would be easier for most women. But not for me. After the first round, I lost the feeling in my feet and hands. It was like wearing a space suit. They lowered the dose and gave me weekly treatments instead, which made the last six rounds more bearable.

During my entire treatment, I cried only twice because of the terrible NHS administration. I was mistakenly left out of the chemotherapy day list three times. Without a PICC line, my veins were severely damaged after 11 sessions. No one suggested a PICC line, and I didnā€™t know the effects of chemo. I also remained neutropenic for extended periods, and despite my oncologistā€™s wish for accelerated treatment, it did not align with my bodyā€™s reaction. My neutrophil levels dropped to 0.22, leading to two blood transfusions due to my poor recovery.

My hospital experience in North London could be likened to a visit to a garage, and I emerged at the end of October feeling immensely relieved to have endured the entire challenging five months. In November, my radiotherapy commenced, involving five sessions plus an additional four booster sessions. These were promptly conducted at 8 am, complete with the bonus of complimentary parking. Other than an unexpected interruption by a cleaner, the process was uneventful.

By the 19th of November, my treatment was concluded, and I began taking Anastrozole at home, humorously remarking to my husband about a 10-year reunion. Remarkably, the Anastrozole came without side effects, and I havenā€™t noticed any change in my physical condition.

Finally completing treatment was an incredible relief. At the final meeting with the Oncology team, they introduced the Royal Free Stratification clinic and provided a leaflet promising future contact. However, the subsequent appointment was cancelled due to the Nurseā€™s departure, and no rebooking occurred at that time.

By Christmas my eyebrows had grown back and I began to start having a small social life. My hair took much longer, and even today, my fringe has not grown back.

All went well, I was tired but expecting this. We went on holiday at Christmas, came back in January and life started again. I began slowly to exercise and go into work to meet colleagues. February was also okay and I was delighted to have my annual breast mammogram and be signed off by the Consultant who said we will book you in for the 15th February 2025.

Then in March I started to feel very tired, this continued in April. I then had a weird small couple of lumps emerge, like horse fly bites. I thought it was because I had gone out and purchased new bras. There was a small rash and then a bit more of an area which was red. I attributed all of this to the radiotherapy and put cream everywhere. A number of the areas went within a week and there was just one area that did not go away. By May, my husband and I agreed that we would go on holiday and if it was still there when we got back we would go and get some advice. By this time, I had started to feel very unwell.

My second journey then started on the 2nd June I called the Stratification line and an appointment was made for the 14th June. I still just thought that it was a weird response to radiotherapy. The Nurse took me through to the ultra sound team. Five biopsies were taken and I went home still unconcerned. Then two weeks later I got a call to ask if I could come in to talk through the results. The news that I had cancer again and it had come back after only 12 weeks was utterly devastating. The sheer white terror of fear meant I could not actually go in the room to hear the news. I stood outside of the Doctorā€™s door and spoke through the entrance.

The Consultant kindly called us on the next working day and the next piece of news was more sh*te. I had somehow got two new cancers in the same breast. The largest was a neuroendocrine and the second was a triple A negative. So in short, I had gone from the most common to the rarest in the World and then the one that 15% of women have. Three breast cancers in the same breast ā€“ I did not even know this was possible.

The next weeks were truly horrible. Given how rare one of the cancers are and how aggressive, two MDTs were consulted and none of them had ever seen this before. The decision was finally made that the Breast Cancer MDT should lead as more drugs were available to treat the cancer. Meanwhile the cancer carried on growing and became extremely painful. The decision was made to support a mastectomy. However, once again, the NHS waiting list meant the timescale to get the surgery done was too long and we paid to have the treatment privately. A cheaper hospital so this time only Ā£11,800.

Three weeks ago this was carried out. Besides the skin graft pain, it has gone smoothly. The area is very tight, but I will work on this over the next weeks and months. The histology was good news and once again the margins good at 5mm and incredibly it had not travelled to the lymph nodes. The tumour itself weighed 1lb and was a fungating breast cancer that grew on the outside of my breast.

This week we met the Surgeon to hear the next stages of treatment and I was stunned to hear that there are none. This decision, I understand is made on the basis of ā€˜no harmā€™. I had all of the treatment last year and to give me more now would be harmful. I cannot have more radiotherapy as this would be dangerous. I do not have cancer now and how they want to manage moving forward is through six monthly CT pet scans and for me and my husband to be vigilant with our surveillance of my body.

So where does this leave me. I have found it hard to have a group of faceless MDTs make decisions without explaining them to me. This might happen in the next weeks, but I would have liked to have their thinking discussed.

The NHS administration is appalling. Being sent 8 appointment dates which constantly change is ridiculous and being left off a chemo list as the list is on paper is pathetic and frankly in my view an omission of care.

There have been three people who have stood out for me within the NHS and I am very grateful for their dedication to their work. In addition the wig shop in Ware and Breast Cancer Now.

Today and possibly forward I will be scared and do not believe a day is not going to go by when I trust life again. People say this will change, but I relaxed once before and will never do it again. Talking to your husband about your death and hearing from your sister that your daughter had text her to ask when she thought I might be well again has been heart breaking and left me very sad.

I hesitated before writing this down as I desperately do not want to frighten anyone else. However, perhaps, maybe, if this happens to another women, they at least will know they are not alone.

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So sorry to hear what a terrible time youā€™ve had! Must be terrifying, 3 cancers in one breast! I have my first mammogram next month following surgery and treatment in April ā€˜23 so am trying to stay positive. I find this forum so helpful but have read so many stories about recurrence thatā€™s itā€™s hard to relax. But thatā€™s probs a good thing, to stay vigilant!
Take care xxx

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Dear Jan,

What a journey, you have been on, canā€™t believe you have been thought so much, I also had 3 cancers on the rightside all very small this was found after a MRI scan had a mastectomy and Letrazole (which I didnā€™t take my choice) it was a rough time, however nothing compared to what you have been through.

Hopefully, you will be able to enjoy life, with your very supportive hubby and family, wishing you health and happiness going forward.

With the biggest hug Tili :pray::rainbow::pray::rainbow:

Dear Jan,

Thatā€™s quite a difficult couple of years youā€™ve had, but thank you for sharing as it will help ohers. Itā€™s so sad that youā€™ve had such a bad time wth the nhs too. Iā€™m very glad you are well now, having been through so much.
I had 3 tumours in one breast too. They were all removed, but an area of several cm has been left behind by mistake and I now need a masectomy after chemo. The road can be incredibly long and frustrating in this disease.
I hope with each future mammogram you get good news and feel reassured. X

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I am very sorry this has heppened to you ā€¦and the fact you have had to fund both your surgeries due to waiting lists is absolutely appalingā€¦i myself have had BC 3 times in 2012 2018 and 2020ā€¦from diagnosis to surgery ā€¦the times were 13 days, 11 days and 9 days ā€¦stories like yours make me immensely grafeful for the care i recived ā€¦i wish you well for the future

I am so sorry to read your sad story & your experiences with the NHS, it makes me so grateful my own experience with the NHS has been faultless. Good luck for the future.

I think you should complain about being missed off the chemo list. I have just been dignosed again with HER2 and hormon receptive cancer. Iā€™m with Bupa through work fortunately and so far this has been helpful. Iā€™m waiting to see an oncologist to arrange chemo now but have an appointment on the 23rd privately. I am waiting for a date on the NHS too. My echo is booked too and the follow up consultation. I will have a picc line too. Sounds like they have had 2 opinions but you are entitled to a 2nd opinion on the NHS or privately. I got a 2nd opinion privately last time ( I went through the NHS last time in 2018).

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good afternoon and thank you for message. i wish you all the very best with your mammogram. The message that is important is for most women the treatment works and there are no other issues. I hope once this is out the way you can enjoy planning a wonderful year.

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Dear Linda, i wish i had complained. At the time, I was so low and wanted to get the treatment done my concern was weridly about creating any annomosity. If i do not get answers this time, my plan is to see a second opinion. I truly hope that all of your treatment goes well and sending you strength and best wishes for a good experience and successful outcome. Bye for now - Jan.

thankyou for your message and great to hear that the NHS does work.

blimey, i was so heartened to have the responses from all of you. To hear that other women have had 3 tumours although complete rubbish, made me realise that mine is not a unique experience. Thank you all for taking the time to connect.

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Oh Jan I read your story and I just wanted to give you the biggest hug. What a tough journey to get to this point. Iā€™m so sorry to hear you were forced to go private, like @cat15 I feel v fortunate that my three surgeries have each been conducted 2-4 weeks after seeing the consultant. And there simply is no excuse for missing a patient off a chemo list. I think any good NHS trust would want to hear and learn from your complaint even many months later because it has clearly - and very understandably - damaged your faith in their care. Maybe just sharing your story here will be enough to help you begin to process the deep hurt of being let down in this way. However, if not and only if you think itā€™d help you in the long run, it may be worth speaking to their patient liaison service as a starting point to share this with the NHS trust.

I can absolutely understand why it feels so shocking to have everything thrown at the cancer first time and then not the second time for a rarer and even more aggressive form of the disease. I definitely think your proposal to get a second opinion sounds like a good course of action if itā€™d help you to feel more confident that you are receiving the right treatment, right frequency, etc.

Itā€™s hard after any cancer diagnosis and treatment to relax that itā€™s really gone and not going to come back. Iā€™ve had two diagnosisā€™ in 2 years and the second one totally floored me (literally!). However, every one of us has done/ is doing so much to save our lives and we are doing that to enjoy the majority of our lives with our loved ones, not be constantly worrying about cancer. We each need to find a balance of relaxation and vigilance. Personally, I know this is going to be a BIG challenge for me to do so when itā€™s hopefully time to move forward after treatment Iā€™m going to explore taking a course with others about moving forward after cancer. Is that something charities provide near you? Or perhaps a specialist cancer counsellor?

Wishing you the very best and happiest future xx

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Dear Jan
This is the saddest post Iā€™ve read. My heart goes out to you. I canā€™t believe the NHS could treat someone like this. I have been very fortunate, they couldnā€™t have been more caring. Sending you best wishes :heart:

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Iā€™m so sorry youā€™ve been put through all of this ā€œtreatmentā€ only to find out that it didnā€™t work (for you).

If theyā€™ve said they are at the end of your treatment (I think I understood that, right?) with nothing else to offer you, perhaps you are now in a place to investigate alternative options?

Iā€™m seeing Iris Hay (https://www.irishaynaturaltherapies.co.uk) in Richmond having declined any and all of the treatments I was offered beyond surgery. Iā€™m currently enjoying rude health 9 months post surgery.

I wish you all the best.

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@jan3

Oh my goodness you have a rough time. I went to the breast clinic after finding a lump in my right naughty boob to have it sized with an MRI and they found a smaller cancer in my left as well. Itā€™s uncommon to have two tumours, one in each breast at the same time. Apparently only about 5% of bc!

Thank you for sharing your story, it will help others now and in the future. Having some anonymity gives you more freedom to share more personal details you may not share online otherwise.

Take care, the forum is here for you :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I am so terribly sorry that you have had to endure this. I hope things get back to a new normal that allows you to enjoy life once again. Sending you a virtual hug. Also thank you for sharing. I, like you, have lived a very anti cancer life. Iā€™m vegan, donā€™t drink much 1-2 glasses per week, if that, I am a runner etc etc etc and earlier this year I was diagnosed with dcis level 3, and when they did the lumpectomy they found a little bit of invasive cancer. In the meantime they did genetic testing and I have BRCA2 mutation, so I will be having a double mastectomy. Most days, while I wait, I feel quite ok with it and then every once in a while I get a tiny bit sad. Today I felt a little sad and then I read your post and it served to remind me of why my surgery is important and although not something I am particularly looking forward to, something which is likely to save my life. So thank you for sharing. You are in my thoughts. I hope you feel better every day. Big virtual hug!

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Dear Jan
Firstly, thank you for sharing your experience. Iā€™m so sorry it has been so horrendous but also glad that you have a very supportive husband. In comparison my experience, not having a husband is very different. Iā€™m 69 and live on my own and very independent. Iā€™ve had a single mastectomy, chemo, radiotherapy and still having immunotherapy. I am happy with the treatments Iā€™ve had from the NHS in Suffolk. Iā€™m just over a year since I found the lump and the support from family has waned considerably. Here in East Anglia, we have a very supportive organisation called Breast Friends. Itā€™s only been around since 2021. I have found being able to have a chat and a coffee face to face with others with breast cancer has been invaluable. Iā€™ve tried to stay positive throughout my cancer journey but Iā€™m astounded to realise how quickly friends and family seem to ā€œforgetā€ what youā€™ve been through and still going through. I wish all who are going through this horrible disease all the very best.
Ps. What does MDT stand for?

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@destiny3355 MDT stands for Mixed Disciplinary Team. It is formed by oncologists, BC surgeons, radiologists, specialist nurses etc to discuss each case under their care. So discussions are held between the disciplines and a forward programme is agreed. So biopsy results lead into preliminary treatment plan, results from surgery or neo adjuvant treatment are discussed and further treatment plans are agreed for each individual patient.

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I can relate to what youā€™re saying, suddenly thereā€™s no one really to talk to as weā€™re considered ā€˜curedā€™, but the mental anxiety is awful. I feel alone too.

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thankyou so much for responding. I truly hope that the surgery goes well. My mastectomy was four weeks tomorrow and all the post surgery issues have now gone except tiredness. It is such a unique experience to go through this once let alone twice in such a short period. I wish you the very very best too and am sending you strength, love and positivity.

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