First FEC 2nd October

My god Cat…I feel for you. I can hear the desperation - there is nothing I can say to make anything better for you. I will find out about pain relief for these aching bones tomorrow…Liz was feeling the same aches yesterday too.

James is really on another planet right now isn’t he…what is it with men that they seem to be able to leave their conscience up their arse and expect the world to revolve around them? You whinge girl…do whatever you want to make life a little easier.

I must say I am thinking about backing out of TAX and staying with the FEC…it’s somethig I will speak to my doctor about tomorrow… I meant to ask, are you still on the booster jabs? And how does the aching on TAX compare with that of the jabs you were on?

Ostrich - glad you had a reasonable weekend away…I just about managed a trip to the supermarket, so I take my hat off to you girl!

I don’t do Facebook, so I was upset to read Soo’s post re: Tanya. What is the news? My thoughts are with you xx

Caz…hope the bloods are ok for Thursday…I’m keeping my fingers crossed for both of us!

gingery: The steroids (I think) are for general well being and assistance with dealing with kimo in general. I could be wrong. I was told I would need them, and I know that the following days after stopping them resemble the worst of paranoid hangovers you could ever experience. If you are managing without and feel well, then stick with it, would be my personal view.

Clarabella: I have the same problem with veins shrinking…I am fine with bloods but kimo is a whole different story. I think most of those ladies who have had piccs or hickmans would (in hindsight) have had them from day 1 as the effects of FEC on the veins can be pretty upsetting and, at times, painful.

I am going to work for a couple of hours this avro…Pheebster and I had a good long walk today so I’m off for a shower and clean clothes.

Take care all…

Just a quickie - Pheebs, thank you a million times for the chat, just what I needed :slight_smile: Speak soon

Cat,

Your poor thing. Big hugs (((((((((((((((((((((0)))))))))))))))))))))))

Men.

I truly hope you are feeling a bit physically better today, the last thing you need on top of kimo (and TAX sounds horrid) is to be trying to carry on doing all the zillion and one things us women do to make life run smoothly and coping with a man to boot (I will say no more as I don’t know James but suffice to say I will just lump him in with all men and their behaviour at times of need - git!).

Hope the other ladies doing TAX are coping okay, it sounds dreadful.

Having survived the weekend away and got over kimo I am now coming down with the flu having caught it off my OH. Felt dreadful last night and temp up at 37.8 but I refuse to seek help as I do not want to end up in hospital, bored and feeling ill when I can do it home here. Have sore throat, cough, temperature and aching everywhere so OH has brought me half of Boots and am going to nurse myself (though of course if temp really goes up I will have no choice).

Love to everyone, hope you are all bearing up, xxx

Morning all

Cat, you poor bloody thing - bar steward doesn’t even start to do his behaviour justice! And coping with the bastard TAX, too. Pains moved from jaw and pelvis down to legs on Saturday eve, but have been getting better since then. Did they give you any pain killers? I came home with masses of Tramadol, and while I don’t like taking them during the day, because they mess with your head, they have been a godsend at night. Apart from that I’ve found taking paracetamol and nurofen alternately every four hours keeps the pains manageable. The worst thing now is that everything - tea, coffee and any sort of food - tastes so revolting, sort of like bitter slimy cardboard. Hope that doesn’t last too long. Got a dinner out with friends on Weds, and a work Xmas lunch Friday. Waste of money if I can’t taste it.

I slagged my family off on Saturday, but Sunday things came together a bit. Got son and daughter doing chores, then they and OH went out for a Xmas tree, which we have put up, along with the rest of the deccies, so it feels like Christmas might actually happen now.

Pheebster, I don’t want to put you off having TAX - it’s supposed to be very effective, so probably worth putting up with. The trick is not to wait for the pains but to take regular painkillers, I think. ~And apart from the pains, I’ve not felt as bad on TAX so far as I did with FEC.

Ostrich: sorry you’re feeling rotten. It does seem unfair, when you’ve got more than your share of feeling crap to cope with over these months.

Love to everyone
Liz

Oh my goodness girls, you poor things! You all seem to be in the wars…Cat, I feel for you, why do men behave as if they’re being sympathetic but actually loose it right at the time you need it most? Sending you a big hug…

I actually feel slightly guilty here, day 6 here FEC4 and I feel fine apart from the horrid taste in my mouth, which I know will go in a day or 2. It sounds like nothing compared to what you’re all going through…

I didn’t get away with it completely, I was horribly tired days 2-5 as usual and had the luxury of taking to my bed while the sprogs were at school, so now I’m officially better there’s all the housework to catch up on…again.

My love to you all, Bella xx

hi Girls…

Liz. You are spot on with the pain management. I spoke to doctors and nurse at work and they told me to dose up with ibuprofen and paracetemol…preferably before coming off the dexa as dexa has anti inflammatory in it, according to them). So double up your pain killers and dexa next time on day 3 of dexa and see if it helps.

Gotta run - pooter about to crash…

later

Hi there everyone,

OMG so many posts to catch up on. Haven’t been on over weekend as had my neices to visit so it was a bit manic.

Firstly - Cat honey you poor thing. Your post made me want to reach into the screen and just hug you. Men eh what a useless bunch they can be - and usually at the times we need them most. You should get James to read your post, might shake him up a bit. I would just like to say that you are not failing your son!! From what I’ve read on here and the pictures I’ve seen on flicker you are a mum in a million and he is a very lucky little boy. Even if you feel you’re not giving him 100% ( which I bet you are ) hes not feeling that, kids are more resilient than we give them credit for. As long as hes getting cuddles, love and food ( oh and sweets ) he will be happy. Please don’t beat yourself up, things are cr*ppy enough as it is.

Hi to Narnia, Clarabella and Gengery hope you feel welcome on here. Were a lovely bunch and hopefully can give you some good advice when we can, but will always give an ear, or shoulder to cry on when needed, hugs and more often than not a good laugh too!

Lorna - hope your little ones better - its not easy looking after a poorly child at this time. X factor was great wasn’t it. I think Hallelujah will be a bit special for most of us this year and a poignant reminder for years to come of this time in our lives.

Lizbou - Glad the xmas tree went well. Ours is up and finished now - I love it when it starts to feel all christmassy!! I’m such a big softie. ha

Bella - hi glad you’re fareing well after FEC4 and good luck with the housework the one thing in life (apart from taxes) which will always be there!!

Soo - hi thanks for xmas email and SE means side effects.

Irina - glad Hickman went OK and FEC4, how was IKEA haven’t been there for ages. Was it Bristol or London?

Tanya - heard from Soo that you’re not feeling well and may have to go back to hospital. Thinking of you and sending hugs - GET BETTER SOON xx

Ostrich - Sorry works do didn’t turn out to well. After all your effort to look good and I bet you looked a million dollars. Hope you feel better soon, keep an eye on that temperature don’t let it get too high without calling hospital!

Pheebs - hi looks like we’ll be partying together Thurs. My bloods were ok, saw onc today with my arm and he said they wouldn’t be able to give me any more kimo in that arm, but would be ok to use mx arm as risk is very low of anything occuring ( like lympoedema ). Stuck to my guns and said still wouldn’t be happy to use that arm, specially not for 3 lots incase of a) lymphoedema and b) incase veins in that arm went and I got phlebitis in that arm as well as then I could possibly have both arms with restricted movement and being very painful. So he said would give me Hickman line which will be going in Thursday morning and apparently will be ok to give kimo straight away. I’m quite pleased as was getting quite worried about state of my arm and really really hated idea of them using mx arm, so alls well that ends well.
Am going to kids Carol concert at their school tonight, my sons playing the guitar so will have to take my tissues as bound to end up weeping.
Hope I’ve managed to say Hi to everyone and if I haven’t sorry and HI to you all.

Wow feels like I’ve written a small novel must go and check on spuds.
Bye for now Caz xx

Cat, you poor thing, really feel for you. You are not failing your son, you are dealing with a serious illness and the side-effects of what has been called “the Domestos of chemotherapy” and your OH should be able to stay sober when you are so poorly. Men!!!
Look at the lovely party you did and how you’re managing to play with your little boy even when you are going through all this - please don’t feel guilty, he won’t even remember this time in his life.

Clarabella, it was suggested on my first FEC that I have a Hickman line in and I resisted the idea until FEC 4 when I have no veins left and have suffered really painful phlebitis in my chemo arm. If I had it to do again I would have had the line in straight away, as it is my chemo nurse is worried I have permanently damaged the veins in my arm. Also the digging about and repeated attempts to find veins is stressful and painful. No one has been more scared of having it in than me but it really does make things so much easier.

Caz, after all my worries about the Hickman line it was nowhere near as bad as I had feared and I had chemo into it less than 24 hours later - couldn’t feel the chemo going in at all. The only thing is that you might want to look for some crop tops to tuck your tube into at night. It says on the websites that you have 12" of tubing outside your body but mine is about 6" and very thin. It was never suggested that I have chemo in my node removal arm but I would have said no too. It was the Ashton-under-Lyne IKEA I went to, about 20 minutes from my house, very handy.

Ostrich, hope you are feeling OK, please ring the helpline if your temp doesn’t come down, hopefully with the Paracetamol it will.

I have been asleep all day with a migraine and only woke up at 5 pm, had to force myself to have a shower and then my Dad took me to Tesco to get some Imigran, will probably be awake all night.

Gingery, I hate dexamethasone (steroids) with a vengeance. I think they make the anti-sickness meds go round your system more effectively, but they make my heart pound, give me terrible anxious dreams and night sweats, and a huge appetite. I cut mine down to 2 mg/day for FEC 4 and would avoid them if you can manage without.

Love to everyone, Irina xx

Sorry Ladies I,m in need of… not sure what exactly.

For me it,s now Tuesday and tomorrow its back off to Antalya. I,ve buried my head in the sand for the last week or so but now I have to face up to things. I know I should have asked questions last time but I was so stunned that the biopsy came back as yet another tumour that I lost my sensible plot.

I am bricking it that maybe they will put me on yet another regime. I was so, so near to the end. I am so fed up with all this chemo malarky. It is now 20 months since I was first diagnosed and my poor body has been through so much since then. I am fed up with being strong…coping…etc etc I know people are being kind but they just don,t understand.
And ıf one more person tells me that being bald “suits me” I will deck them. As if I have a choice!!

Sorry but I am feeling incredibly weepy tonight. I,m on my own, I sure could do with my Mum right now.
Catch up with you all soon.

Soo

Soo…you are really going thrrough it now. Am so sorry to hear the diagnosis wasn’t what you wanted. This disease just doesn’t give up does it… At the risk of sounding a bit stupid here, is surgery out of the question? Can anyone go with you to Antalya - I know we will all be there with you in spirit and I hope with all my heart you don’t have to suffer more kimo.

Cazz…I am off to see my oncologist today. i may get my bloods done whilst I’m there to save a trip back to hospital to get them done tomorrow. I’m amazed how many of us have gone down the Hickman/Picc route. The pre-chemo chat I had only hinted that vein damage could occur…lying gits!

I am nursing a headache this morning - self inflicted due to far too much chablis last night. God, why do I do it!!!

Liz and Cat - those doses of brufen and paracetemol I was recommended were 400mg 3 x daily and1000 mg 4 x daily respectively… I will just check them with my onc today to make sure they don’t interefere with the kimo.

Cat - I hope you are feeling a bit more resiliant today. I’m glad our chat helped…you know where I am any time you want to rant or just talk things through xx

I’m going to do the ironing now and chase up my dog food supplier - why does the entire country seem to feel it’s their god given right to slow down a fortnight before christmas?

Catch you all later
xx

Morning Ladies,

Caz, I hope you enjoyed your son’s concert. I love all the xmas stuff with schools and kids and am dreading the fact that this is my youngest’s last year at primary school and the round of christmassy stuff will get smaller (though hopefully she will keep on at guides and church will help with the need for carol services). What with the “no Santa” this year and me not cooking xmas dinner for the first time in 20 years I feel xmas is changing, not for the best.

Soo, sending you my thoughts today and prayers that you will have choices that you can make that you feel in control of, rather than just imposed upon you. This disease is so bloody tiring and at times unending - I never thought even 3 months on I would still be living with cancer every bleeding day - I thought it would be a walk in the park and back to work and normality in a heartbeat (oh the joy of ignorance!).

Tanya, I understand from other’s posts that you may be unwell again, sending you love and hugs for a speedy recovery.

Bella, glad to hear FEC4 was a bit easier. Having just done FEC3 I have reached that, “do I really have to do it another 3 times?” bit rather than, “thank god thats 3 gone and only 3 to go.”

Liz, hope your family are still working together for you. My OH has just lectured my son (who’s just returned from boarding college) about doing his bit by making me cups of tea etc. I nearly laughed at the irony until he said that its taken him a while to figure it out himself so he’s passing on the tip. (Its only taken him 15 years and he’s only been managing it for 2 weeks but at least its progress, even if slow).

Cat, I hope you are feeling better and that James is thoroughly ashamed of himself. Reading posts prior to joining you ladies and particularly the ones re your son’s party it sounds like you are a fab mum. I know that when mine were little the work I did for xmas/birthdays was me wanting to create magical memories for them - a childhood to look back on (and I so enjoyed it). Now they never mention those xmasses (though hopefully they are still there) and only think about what they will get. Now I still work hard for xmas/birthdays but I realise they are to create magical memories for me.

I hope you ladies on Tax are coping okay and that you get your paincontrol right. Taking a dose of whatever regularly and religiously is important at keeping things at bay - its much harder to fight pain once its there.

Irina, glad the line is working well. Caz and Pheebster, its so true that they down play the harm to your veins. The head chemo nurse came and had a go last week when my chemo nurse couldn’t get a good vein and said something about it only being 10% of patients whose veins play up. Must just be statistically unlucky!!!

I insisted last week that they NOT use my surgery arm for kimo but they insisted more, having failed twice and let saline leak into my non-surgery arm! I won’t be letting them again! They are hopeful that my veins in my good arm will have recovered from a rest by the time of my next kimo but I don’t think so to be honest, whilst the pain in my forearm is subsiding my veins on my good arm are dark as anything and I am dreading another battering and do not want to be press ganged into using my surgery arm again (they won’t be the ones wearing a sleeve for life if I get lymphodema!). Funnily enough I dreamt last night about having a line and it was not a pleasant dream but in my dream it was still a relief - think my subconscious is as worried as my conscious.

I am feeling a lot better today having spent a quiet day at home yesterday drugged up on lemsip etc. I was a bit of a emotional wreck yesterday though, crying at the doctors when they dressed my back wound. They are still insisting that now, 13 weeks since my op and 13 weeks with a hole, that I pay for my own dressings and take them and the medical honey I have to pay for to my appointments for them to dress it. I don’t want to have a hole in my back and am pretty pi**ed off that I have to pay for them to dress it for me. I think what with the steriod crash, feeling unwell anyway it was just too much for me and I spent lots of yesterday randomly bursting into tears. I am sooooo bored with having cancer/treatments/being ill/having a hole in my back and so fed up with being told “you’re so brave”, “tiny steps”, “one day at a time”. My BCN even said to me last week “Thats why we call you patients!” ARRRGGHHHH. You try being ill/pricked/drugged/cut/dressed/bald/wonky/scarred!!!

Do any of you other ladies have a heightened sense of smell on kimo? I think having 3 months of a wound, medical smells, sweats at night etc I have become seriously sensitised to smell and EVERYTHING I own seems to have the same horrid smell (including me). Everyone tells me there is no smell but to me its horrid. I can’t even stand the smell of my own deoderant anymore because it makes me think of cancer/wounds/kimo. Once I finish kimo and am healed I am chucking my bed, underwear, pjs, deoderant, etc and buying all new - I never want to smell these smells again!

I think I need to go and lie in a darkened room.

Love to all, xxxx

Hi Ostrich…just saw your other thread!

I can’t use perfume, deodorant or fabric conditioner (unless it’s the cheapo unfragranced stuff) and the smell of wheat bags will stay with me forever…it just shouts kimo at me.

Re: your dressings. Working for a GP practice I know they are mega expensive…therefore the cost of all these dressings comes from your practice’s budget rather than the hospital package which they paid for when you were first dx. You are entitled to these on the NHS. If they want to put them on prescription for you, see if you are legible for free scrips or buy a 6 month prescription packages…details available from your GP’s receptionist.

There is NO WAY they can ask you to buy them other than on a script. If you go down that path, make sure you get enough dressings on that script to last you a minimum of one month. If you come up against any problems, contact your PCT and make a complaint.

Good luck

Thanks Pheebs for the advice re the GPs, I sent you a PM back.

I have just washed all my bedding again and its currently churning around in the tumble dryer with 2 sheets of bounce in the hope that when I get into bed tonight and take a deep breath I don’t feel sick, LOL!

xx

Evening ladies…

Just got home from my onc appt. Ashamed to say I cried at the thought of TAX but my lovely doctor has given me loads of meds for the bone pain…she has put me on dexa for 7 days (as it contains anti-inflammatory) and told me to use the ibuprofen and paracetemol as well…in her words ‘throw everything at it’. I am also on the anti-sickness meds too, which i thought I would have escaped…any other TAX ladies on them?

I have the blood boosters again, and will do for every kimo, which means getting pricked all over crimbo…ho bloody ho!

Had bloods done and the half-wit agency woman couldn’t get any blood out and so they had to get someone else in to do it. I now have two holes in my arm and the mother of all bruises…cow!

So bit of a taxing afternoon all round…

Hope everyone is well as can be expected

xx

Hi Pheebs, hey you’re so allowed to cry at the thought of Tax, it’s a big thing to take on. So glad you’ve got help for the bone pain and sounds like you got lots of answers to your questions.

I’m still struggling on with the Ibuprofen and Paracetemol, doc’s not interested in prescribing me anything at the mo, case of get on with it, you’re tough, biatch. I had my GCSF again today, like you I have to do them after each chemo, bloody hate them. That said, the very young cute doco was so gentle I didn’t feel the needle at all, so nice compared to the cow district nurse who just stabbed me viciously (James commented today that he couldn’t believe how she forced it into my arm when she did it yesterday).

My washing machine has just decided to die on me, oh joy, just what I need. I haul myself out of bed to keep up with the housework and it says ‘no thanks, not just going on strike, am checking out for good’. Great, because my son is really unwell today and has thrown up twice so now I have PJs, blankets and sheets that are stinking the house out and no way of cleaning the. Harrumph, bah hum bug and all the rest.

Ostrich, my sense of smell has gone very acute also. Immediately after chemo and for at least a week afterwards I can’t stand anyone near me, especially if they’re smokers, they just pong and make me want to vomit.

I’ve got a swelling that’s just come up in the armpit of my mx arm, think it’s a seroma, so will be on the phone first thing tomorrow to the bcn to get that sorted. Just another thing to add to my woes. I am hating knowing myself at the mo, all I seem to do is moan and feel faulty. Tell you what, if I’d bought me, I’d definitely be after my money back right now!

Hi everyone.

Pheebs and Cat, my fellow Tax sufferers, it does get better. I’m now on day 6 and think the pains have about subsided. They were bloody horrible - like really bad toothache down your limbs. Just have to think that this is the nuclear option of kimos - and must be doing the trick to cause such havoc. My main problem now is that I can’t bear to eat. Just about everything tastes so disgusting I just want to spit it out again. Forced myself to eat steak last night, and half a portion of pasta tonight, but it was an ordeal.

Anyone got any ideas of some food that’s tolerable when you’ve got this nasty taste business? The thought of doing it two more times is daunting. At least LOL I might lose some of the weight (6lbs so far) that I’ve put on since starting kimo.

Cat you must be one strong woman, with the amount you’ve had thrown at you to put up with - what with James and your washing machine taking the piss! I had a seroma on my back for ages, Doc drained it twice or three times, but then I decided to ignore it and it did eventually go away. Probably harder to ignore one under your arm, though.

Good night all, Liz

Hi All
Just a quickie, its 6.30am and I,m waiting for my lift to Antalya. I got about 3 hours fitful sleep so am feeling really crappy.

Pheebs, I have a very dear friend who comes with me to Antalya. God knows what I,d do if she wasn,t around. My Onc doesn,t want to do more surgery if it can be avoided. I,ve had so many ops in the last 20 months, plus I have a rarish blood disorder which means everytime I,m operated on there is a higher risk of problems occurring.

To everyone else, I hope you are all OK and looking forward to Christmas.

Soo xx

Morning Ladies,

Cat so sorry to hear you’re feeling crap… men… can’t live with them can’t live without them!

Caz- still icky house… youngest had a temp over 38c for 4 days… but is now coming down… still germ gelling all the time… god I must have OCD by now!

Good luck to those on Tax this week… and sounds horrendous the SE with the pains… (((())))

Good luck Soo… will be thinking of you today!

Tanya… Hope you are OK?

Avonlea- How’s U?

I had Onc appointment today… 5 min in and out! seems I have peripheral neuropathy!!! have had tingling in finger tips for a while now…after googling it… seems I do have the symptoms… including the constipation! O the joys!

I have hypersensitive smell too…but always have… am sure I can actually “SMELL” the kimo for 3-4 days after … breathe- and pores smell of it!

Off to moisturise my aging hands!!!

L x

Morning Lovelies!

Cat I have been worried about you…take comfort in Liz’s post…the pains will pass for you any time now. And can I offer you another tip…have your jabs in your belly. I’m sure it’s not as bulbous as mine but it doesn’t hurt and it will give your poorly arm a rest. I’m surprised the DN didn’t suggest it to you (or maybe in hindsight, not so surprising!!). Perhaps your onc would be prepared to extend your dexa for the next kimo…it’s worth an ask. Emma (my onc) said we’’ sling everything at it this time and then wean off next time…i think she knows I will bolt if it is too horrendous!

Lorna…I agree that the smell of kimo stays with you…and I still swear it’s those bloody wheat bags. I must say our kimo lounge is quite comfy but it’s still daunting.

Soo - thinking of you today honey…

Does anyone have any news on Tanya?

Liz: By the time we get round to rads and have our weekly meet-up our taste buds will be back…may have to stretch to a pub lunch?

Pheebs, the evil dn always wants to stab me in the belly. She did it once and approached me like she was going to Gold with a javelin, never again!

Tanya, last mail I got from her, was home from hospital and doing OK, I’ll mail her when I have a bit of energy.

OMG, James cooked me dinner last night!!! He had to go into our local big town yesterday so he bought a vegan fake turkey dinner from Holland & Barratt. Bung it in the oven, 40 minutes, job done. Yeah, right. The ready carved turkey was so tough, you could have used it to slice through steel, the sausages were like mini mortar bombs that would have worked well in WWI, and the frozen mixed veg (he didn’t think of doing fresh) had been boiled for 20 minutes. The roast potatoes were incinerated. God love him, he tried so hard, I almost had tears of gratitude in my eyes. I ate the lot because he’d made the effort and I didn’t moan about it to him at all, took me over an hour to hack my way through it though. Oh, the best bit - I like gloopy gravy. He made up a packet mix and when he stirred it and left the spoon in it, the spoon stood up!

Lorna, my onc appointment was like that, a complete non-event on the whole.

Pheebs, you’ll manage the Tax, forwarned is forearmed.

Liz, so glad the pain is going away.

Sorry, I am feeling fuzzy and crap today. Got an appointment with the consultant tomorrow because of the slight swelling in my mx arm, the cheerful bcn said it sounds like a touch of lymphodema. Talking of which, want a laugh? Just had acupuncture and told Joy about this so she did a needle in my leg to help reduce swelling. 30 seconds after the needle went in there was a gurgle in my tum and I knew that if I wasn’t in the loo really soon, I’d be wetting myself and doing a poo! God, never been so embarrassed in my life. Shot to the loo with my jeans rolled up round my knees and no wig on and scared the bejusus out of the guy who owns the clinic as he was coming out of his office. Whoever has said in the past the acupuncture works on a placebo effect is so wrong!

Hello to everyone and love to you all.