Is their a natural alternative to Letrozole?

I am newly diagnosed with stage 2 hormone receptive breast cancer. I am 64 and had a horrendous and long menopause which I finally put behind me a few years ago. The bc diagnosis came as a shock but I am coming to terms with surgery followed by radiotherapy. What I can’t come to terms with is the thought of ten years on Letrozole with a recurrence of a life of hell and all my family feel the same!

 

So I have some questions which you lovely ladies may be able to answer:

 

  1. Are the oestrogen levels checked prior to subscribing Letrozole and monitored throughout?

  2. Has anyone sourced natural ways to reduce their oestrogen without the need for medication

  3. Finally does anyone have positive experiences of this medication!?

 

Thank you!

I’m a similar age as you and have been staring at an unopened box of Arimidex for two months! I wasn’t checked for oestrogen levels and I believe it isn’t normal unless you have it done privately. So far I’ve been concentrating on losing weight (3 1/2 stone on 9 months) and giving up (almost) alcohol but there are a variety of supplements that people do take but I’m still researching them so have no direct experience. 

 

Have you looked at breast.predict.nhs.uk/index.html to see what percentage difference taking an AI is likely to give you? At present, the figures don’t seem to add up for me when considering the side effects.

My experience has been positive.  I have been taking Letrozole for four years without any real side effects.  I had some joint aches and pains which started a couple of months after starting taking it but they subsided a few weeks later.    I don’t know of any natural treatment to reduce oestrogen but of course there are a million supplements out there that make all kind of claims.   If you do find a natural supplement you can check it out on the Sloan Kettering website which has a comprehensive list of safe natural supplements.  

Hello Harley64,

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I can relate to your statement  of “trying to make sense of it all” at the beginning. As the well used cliche states, try and take things one step at a time.

 

Regarding your initial post below:

  1. Are the oestrogen levels checked prior to subscribing Letrozole and monitored throughout? 

No, not as a matter of course.  However, there are private/online facilities offering such services. I would suggest you speak with medical staff first if it is of concern to you before parting with your cash etc.  What is your reason for asking about this? Is it for a baseline measure? Subsequent tests to ensure any treatment, natural or otherwise, is having a positive effect?

 

I would not mind having one at the mo just to make sure my oestrogen production has been depleted by approx 97% from the impact of Anastrozole!! However, in the end, would baseline testing or subsequent testing be of major use when, for example,  it is not known what level of oestrogen it takes for hormone receptor cancer to grow and develop in the first place. 

 

If you do not know already, you may find it helpful to find out if the cancer is strongly hormone receptive and whether it is double hormone positive.    Such information may help you and medical staff weigh up the pros and cons of Letrozole or other similar treatments.  In the end, it is up to us whether we accept the treatments or not. 

 

  1. Has anyone sourced natural ways to reduce their oestrogen without the need for meds?

Nature has already considerably reduced your oestrogen supply as no doubt you felt with when you went through your difficult menapause period!  As far as I understand it,  ovarian testoserone production (which is converted to oestrogen via aromatase) will decline 12-15 years after menapause (although I have seen various time frames!).  However, it can also be produced in other body sites such as the adrenal glands.  Wherever it is being produced, it should decline with age so less to be converted and circulate!

 

Maintaining a healthy weight/body fat ratio should also help in reducing production so diet and exercise are important.  “Natural ways” seem to focus on being careful with what you put in your body (e.g. eating organic/processed reduced diet/low or no alcohol diet) as well as what you put on it (e.g. paraben free products etc).  There is a whole host of “natural” advice out there, trouble is some of it is just preying on the vulnerable parting with their cash, contradictory (eg. drink milk/don’t drink milk, eat soy/don’t eat soy) and lacking significant research.  So much advice - enough to leave your head feeling like mush and you paranoid about anything that is going in and on your body.  Just as a point, if there was so much oestrogen in certain foods and products to have significant effect, then I am surprised that Tamoxifen has not been found to be more effective in post menapausal women than Aromatase inhibitors, as it acts upon circulating oestrogen rather than ceasing it’s production.

 

I have seen some foods listed as “natural aromotase inhibitors”.  For example, white button mushrooms, onions, citrus fruits, pomegranete.  Not sure about any research on their effectiveness and the quantities you may need to eat!  There are supplement type products available, for example as marketed on Amazon, which claim they also reduce oestrogen production. 

 

In the end, which ever way oestrogen is reduced, one will surely still feel the effects of this in one way or another.  Hence, I would rather stick with the tried and tested medication route for now as well as maintaining healthy weight, diet, exercise etc.

 

3. Finally does anyone have positive experiences of this medication!?

I have been on Anastrozole for about a year and 7 months.  The worst side effect I have had is excrutiating lower leg cramps mainly at night.  Fortunately this has not happened often.  I have also experienced more drying out of mucous membranes whether in my nose or elsewhere, and being a bit more stiff when getting out of a chair!! However, I have not had anything that I have not found manageable or life destroying at the moment. 

 

Before I started my first pack, I was apprehensive and stared at them for a few days.  I think I had had enough of it all by then, i.e. chemo, herceptin, surgery and complications, radio and bishposphonates and aromotase inhibitors  to now think about.  ENOUGH!  In the end, I thought I had to give it a try and just see.  My cancer was ER8, so a good candidate for treatment. 

 

If the side effects were recking quality of life to an unacceptable level for me, then I would discuss it with Onco, have a break,  try and work my way through the other products before giving up completely.  But I will not know this unless I give them a good go.  Fortunately, it all seems to be ok at the moment.  Long may it continue.

 

In the end, we are all individuals.  We have to weigh up our individual risks and benefits and make informed decision that we are comfortable with.  I wish you the very best with your treatment and treatment decision making.

 

Best Wishes,

Chick x

 

 

 

Hi, I’ve been on Letrazole for nearly 2 years and hate it! Hot flushes, major aches, thinning weak hair, 2.5 stone weight gain!! And my eostrogen levels have never been checked. Spoke to my doctor last week as decided to take a break from it, I asked for an appointment to see my oncologist as want a different medication, I was also told that I would have to take it for life, I’m 54. Regards Angie 

I have never had my hormone levels checked.

I am 64 had mastectomy 2016 stage 2hr+ 

I was initially on Femara brand Letrozole, was not too bad on this, after 3 months Doctor refused to give anymore due to costs, I have been issued with several generic brands and have suffered with depression, aches in feet, hands, most joints, terrible headaches and of course weight gain.  

I am having a break (8weeks so far) and now want to go back on Femara even offering to buy it myself, but the Doctor won’t give me a private prescription and the hospital won’t prescribe it. I hope you find a suitable brand that gives you least/no side effects.

 

 

Hi Harley, sorry to hear you are struggling with Letrozole. I think you’ve got a wide discussion going on here, with some very good advice, especially from Chick. I’m just going to add my positive bit in here, if you don’t mind. It doesn’t make me feel as though I’m in a living hell, and it doesnt stop me from living my life to the full.I’m 72, been on it 2 years and have lung mets, so I’m on Palbociclib as well. The break through for me was getting a brand which agreed with me - Teva. My SEs instantly became manageable. I’ve got aches and pains, but I’m an old girl, so I’m going to get them anyway. I exercise at least 4 times a week, and I just love my aqua aerobics and TaiChi . The warm water is very soothing and helps my Lymphodaema, and the TaiChi helps my joints and mind.

i think the NHS would be more than happy to discover a natural replacement for Letrozole as the tablets are £150 each, or so my BC nurse said. I help mine along by adjusting my diet so the tablet doesn’t have to work so hard locking down the oestrogen. I try to be dairy free where possible, and also organic. I don’t think additional hormones do my oestrogen levels any good. That’s my very personal opinion. 

Oestrogen levels aren’t checked, and the Letrozole is the same dosage for everyone, young or old.

I hope that all the posts have helped to answer your three queries. Do remember that we are all unique, and even with the same disease and treatments we react differently. Hole everything goes well at the hospital for you. I wish you luck in whatever you decide. X

 

I have just done the predictor, and only get 1% more chance of survival taking letrozole than not taking it, which is shocking! The sides effects of the drug could actually put me at more risk of dying to be honest. 

After 3 and a half years of being on letrozole, at 63, i have high cholesterol, painful peripheral neuropathy in my hands and feet, and just got the result of my bone density scan that i now have osteopenia! So, my chances of having a stroke have risen greatly, and heart issues, and my bones are being affected.

Is it worth it for that 1 percent?? I dont think so. 

I have been looking at suppressing estrogen by diet, and its got to be better than what i am suffering now!!

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Hi @dawn2412 I’m so sorry you’ve got so many bad outcomes from Letrozole.  I think it is quite accepted now that a great risk of AIs is increased cholesterol and blood pressure thereby leading to a high risk of death from heart failure.   We have to tread a very fine line through treatment not always helped by specialists who may being aiming for cancer eradication whatever the cost.  

My main point of replying though is on Predict.  When I did mine I got 0.2/0.9/1.2% benefits over 5/10/15 years and felt very much as you do - what is the point?  But the oncologist pointed out to me that the data on which the model is based only looks at the statistical chances of death over these periods.  It does not take in to account new tumours or recurrence, particularly metastatic cancers.  In other words, you might still be alive but you could be living with secondaries and having to have much worse treatment than you have now, to keep you alive.  Sounds harsh but that’s because it could be. Predict gives an indication not hard facts so best not to base your decision solely on that. I’m sure you wouldn’t stop without discussing it with your team anyway.  If you do decide to stop it, as many do, then I hope it works out well for you.