I have started this thread for new user Jo,
I was diagnosed 5 years ago with stage three and did radio and hormone therapy, mastectomy and reconstruction. Problem is in the past five years me and husband have not had sex, well about twice. He says its coz initially he didnt want to hurt me or was too afraid to touch me, but now five years on, im beginning to wonder. I used to be the one to take the initiative always but now i really need him to fancy me. Its not enough that i fancy him, i really need him to want me and he doesnÂ´t. This upsets me. I have said to him that I, because of the cancer, need Ãt to come from him or for him to reassure me im still atractive but he just wont. On top of this weÂ´re having emotional problems because he says Im too needy and cant see his point of view and that if I hadnt got ill he could have got a really good job abroad etc.
Please help someone, because its just really awful at the moment. Is there any light at the end of this, or are some men just not able to cope with their wives being ill and needing them to be the strong one?
Wow. No one has any comments.
Please help me. I canÂ´t see the end of the line.
Am sitting in my kitchen all by my self. HeÂ´s been angry with me all day. He says im too demanding. it makes me so sad. My face is just all puffy with tears. I have never felt so low in my life. PLease help me someone. Please please help. I was a model once, a tv presenter. I had a tv researcher job and he brought me down. And he wont let me back up. Its sohard with the breast thing.l Please help. He says I have to get over myself. That the changes in my body dont matter. That i should get over it.
IÂ´d like to be able to do that.
its the weekend ! it can be very quiet here at the weekend,
I am sure some others will come on. What can I asy ? breast cancer causes all these ripples in relationships that might or might not have happened wth the cancer.
You have had alot to cope with , but dont take this the wrong way -but you are lucky you are still here and still well 5 years on …there sounds like there is alot of tension in your house at the moment. Is there anyone that both of you can talk to? Have you considered going for counselling together or separately ? It sound like you need some love and reassurance form him and there are alot of issues with him from your cancer that are still out there, Also maybe you need some counselling to think about what you really want next…
I hope you can get some help and support. men can be so determined to do things their own way - to not admit their feelings, or not be the first to say something, or maybe just not to say sorry. I have certainly seen that…anyway these are just random ideas…
I’m so sorry to hear you are having such a hard time and that you hadn’t had any response yet but I’m sure you will get some responses. I think maybe at the weekend the forums are a little quieter. What you are going through sounds really awfula and I so sympathise with you and am sending you a cyber hug. It’s awful feeling so alone and wondering what is going on in your relationship. Relationships are sometimes not straightforward. It’s very hard to know what to say to help you but I just wanted to let you know that I am here and ready to listen. Sometimes it just helps to let off steam and talk to somebody else and this place is the right place to come to. A lot of people have relationship problems generally but when you are going through fighting breast cancer too - it’s tough. I don’t think some men can really even try and understand what we must be going through. Only this morning, I was talking to my boyfriend about a few issues we have and I just had to tell him outright. We only met after I had had chemotherapy and my operationi and he wasn’t aware just how ill I had been and he said that to me. He doesn’t/didn’t understand how it affects your libido and thought it rather strange how I didn’t seem to be that interested in sex - truth is, at the moment I’m just not that interested however when he gets me in the mood it’s nice.
I’m here to chat so please don’t feel alone or that nobody cares - like I said above, I think the forums are quieter at the weekend.
I haven’t got much time, but just thought I’d say that your words are NOT disappearing into the ether - you will get other posts here in reply, people are very supportive.
( I will post again).
Hang on in there
Aw thank you so much you guys!!!
I really mean it. I have felt so low recently. So thanks Ruby, Katherine, Bahons and Cat for being so kind. Thank you. When I had the mastectomy curiously there was a lot of support on offer to me in england (emotionally) but then after that when i had to go back to spain, that was it! Game Over Man! Like i should stop having feelings and then my husband thought the same thing too.
The main problem for me though is the sexual problem. IÂ´ve never had a sex problem in my life. Breast cancer has given this to me. I dont know what to do about it. Like I say, someone must agree with me that five years is a long time!!! IÂ´m 43 and I have a nice figure and stuff. I just dont get what or why he doesnt like me any more.
You said in your original post that you usually used to initiate things - why not try that and see what happens?
All relationships go through problem times, and we have to cope with bc as well. Talk to him about what he needs from you, and tell him what you need from him. Good luck and let us know how to you get on.
I am sorry to read you are going through such a tough time with your husband at the moment. You may find it useful to have a look at a couple of BCC booklets, ‘sexuality, intimacy and breast cancer’ and ‘in it together’, which is for partners of those with breast cancer. Both these booklets have a lot of information which may help. You can find these booklets by going to the following links:-
I hope you find this helpful.
Is there any way you could get some counselling? Even better, could you persuade your husband to go with you.
My marriage is not very happy at the moment. I lost my sex drive completely since my treatment and I’ve also started to resent the fact that he acts as though my illness never happened. He refuses to let me discuss my fears and worries or make the changes in our lives I’d like to. He just wants to carry on as before. I’ve had counselling which helped me but he refused to go with me and now I feel there is no way things can ever improve. I’m sorry to go on about my problems when you are so distressed. But I think relationships can change so dramatically after breast cancer and it needs both of you to make things improve.
I hope you can find some way to make him discuss things with you. You mustn’t let him knock your confidence.
Jo, Just before i was diagnosed in 2007 my marriage was going through troublesome times as my husband discovered i was having an affair. We went to Relate (don’t know if there is something similar in spain), and it helped us save our marriage. I know that when i first had mastectomy my husband was scared of hurting me and i think they want us to be needy when really having bc makes us stronger. Maybe you have to take the bull by the horns, dress up like you would have done prior to bc and take the initiative. I have lost my sex drive completely since chemo and now arimidex so i know if my husband doesn’t come on to me sex would never happen. The helpline bcc run is fantastic and i know its not open weekends but you can always ring tomorrow same with the peer support service. I amde use of that and the person i had , lyn was great and let me know i wasn’t alone in the way i was feeling. Never feel alone when you have all the great bunch on here xx
Sorry you are having such a bad time. You could try counselling but ask yourself if your marraige is worth saving.
You could be flogging a dead horse. Sorry to be so blunt but you have suffered enough and now you need to look after number one…
We are all here for you. Hope you feel better soon.
Love Andrea xx
If you want to ring the helpline the number from outside the UK is (+44) 2076200077 the lines open at 9am this morning until 5pm tonight, Monday to Friday and Saturdays 9am - 2pm. Take care, and hope this helps.
Im afraid I agree with Andrea, I am VERY cynical as far as men are concernedand havent been in a relationship for 10 years. You should however seek counselling just to be fair to him. But you are the number one priority inall this. Were you having problems pre dx?
I agree too, I must be the most cynical person around when it comes to men, as I heard someone say once that “men are such a disappointment”. I intend to stay single indefinately. Try to imagine life on your own…do you think you could? Does he make you happy? If not then be brave and move on. Too many men will try to drag you down and you deserve better!! Men are weak and selfish.
I am in Spain too and a man whos wife has been struck by the dreaded BC.
Perhaps a little insight from a male point of view would help.
We have not been able to make love for some time now, initially down to the fact it would be too painfull, without going into details my wife cannot lie flat on her back, or her side, or face down, she has to have her spine in a particular fashion on our medical type bed to be comfortable and pain free.
We have talked about making love but one of the problems I have is that I am not sure I could manage it as I think it may be the last time we ever make love, so from my point I would rather remember the last time which was before diagnoses.
It does not mean that I do not love her, I tell her every day that I do, and we cuddle a lot when she is standing, however love making is really difficult for me. Perhaps your hubby is feeling the same ?
Hope that helps a little.
I agree with liz and louise. Your husband sounds very insensitive. If he was mine, he would soon become my ex.
You have been through so much, as we all have and you deserve better. Men are such a strange breed. Counselling could be a way forward but from the sound of it he doesnt think HE has a problem.
Hope it all works out for you, with or without him,
It is not unheard of for some men to just find the idea of a sick or "damaged " woman unsexy. As far as I was concerned my relationship was as good as any other but BC revealed my partner did not see himself in the role of loving carer and he certainly did not want to hang about whilst interesting bits of me disappeared. Like you I looked really good an took care of myself pre BC, I can pass for much younger so it really hurts to feel ugly and I think that is true for many women. He took a beautiful new girlfriend to comfort himself whilst I underwent the second of three surgeries.
My point is; this site is full of women who have amazing men who seem to really come through for them and I suspect that is as much about the character of the man. Take charge ladies and sensitive men are a bad combo at a time like this, in my opinion, because sometimes you want a man to be traditional and manly - for me this is one of those times.
If you are like me the idea of tarting yourself up and taking the lead is scary due to the possible (and I have experienced it) potential for humiliating rejection. I found all the BC booklet advice so unhelpful to the point of making me cry. Counselling wont necessarily help you if it is a problem for him too. Communication is a two way street.
I realised that our relationship, despite the fact that I love him so much it hurts and feel life is not worth living without him, is doomed because he can not and does not even want to give me what I need. Not suggesting that your scenario is exactly the same but sometimes when you accept that it is over it becomes easier because you give up the hope that things can be the same. Curiously, as you begin to think that maybe it is the natural end of the road the communication becomes less charged and more relaxed.
I suppose I am saying it may help to think less about what you cn do to change things and more about whether he wants change and what kind of change, otherwise you risk a lot f work which may well push him further away. I asked mine “Do you think we will make it through the next year?” and the look on his face said it all.
Stop crying honey and questioning yourself. You can not have a good relationship without his getting involved too! And good luck.
I said I’d post again - sorry it’s taken so long to get back to you…
What a horrible time you are having at the moment!
I don’t think many men are natural carers - they are not always great empathizers either. Their strengths are in other areas. I don’t have any experience of a situation similar to yours, but I do know, from experience, what cancer does not only to the patient but those around them (having been in both categories). I imagine your husband might find it very difficult to put himself in your shoes and realise the long term impact this disease can have on one’s mindset.
And it sounds as tho’ your confidence has taken a terrible knock? If you can talk to your husband (can you?), you must. And, this is just a suggestion and I might be way off beam here, but how about finding some outside interestsyou can do to build yourself up again in your own eyes.
Cancer can be very corrosive and people say horrible things to those they care most about, sometimes with the poor patient merely caught in the crossfire They resent the person who has cancer because that person has spoiled their lives, too. It’s easy to say we ought to be more mature and unselfish and rise above these things but often we’re not and we can’t because we’re only human. We all want things back the way they were, with our bright shiny tomorrows all intact.
I don’t know if this helps - it’s just thoughts/observations/suggestions.
But I do hope you feel less alone now that you’ve had a few replies to your post and lots of different viewpoints!
Well if you had been on here a few weeks ago you would have seen me going through hell with my OH. His selfishness was so so madening and his lack of sensitivity and even cruel remarks drove me to leave him after 30 yrs of marriage. It was a very hard time for us both. He was truely devistated and asked me to come back. I have, but on my terms and it seems to be working, touch wood!
Our biggest problem has been poor communication, me thinking he meant X when he said Y and all that sort of stuff.
Our sex life is crap an has been since diag 2 yrs ago. It took him months to look at my scar so I thought well he doesn’t fancy me with one boob but that wasn’t the case.
I have zero sex drive plus physical issues like vaginal dryness. Medication hasn’t helped. I feel 80 (I’m 50).
We ‘make do’ sex wise for him, which means I have to ‘make an effort’ but I do love him so it’s doable as he isn’t too demanding.
I have to agree with some of the others. I do think your OH is not being very fair to you and you really must talk it through and pin him down to why he wont have sex. You really need to know, it could be his labido is slow anyway as you mentioned it wasn’t brill before BC. It may not be that personal to your BC, but be his problem. Thats why communication is sooooo important!