Struggling to cope and accept

Thank you all, honestly the last two days have been awful but joining this forum has helped beyond belief!

I think my biggest frustration is having to have more and more tests before they can do anything. I totally understand why but it doesn’t make it any easier. My ultrasound is on 11th and then I see my oncologist on 17th. If suspicious, they then need to refer me to have another biopsy and that’ll probably take two weeks to book and then two weeks for results🙄 so I reckon surgery will probably be a month after that so around mid September. I think I’m going to have to push back my family holiday which is planned for end of Sep. It’s not worth risking and then I can just focus on getting well.

I’m sure everyone will understand and I can always do my daughter a little party for her 21st, or I could pay for her to go on a little trip with her friends. She’s in Ibiza at the moment. I’m going to tell her when she gets back. Dreading it as she doesn’t really show her emotions but I’m hoping she opens up to me… urgggggg onwards and upwards as they say :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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@jnra reading your post feels like I am reliving my experience 21 months ago. I felt exactly the same way. 21 months on, treatment all completed I am moving on with my life, it takes time to process and heal on this journey. I still have days where I question “Did this really happen”.
Everything you are feeling, fear, panic, anxiety, stress, worry is all normal and part of this process. As the days go on you will have more clarity about your diagnosis and treatment plan. Accept all the help and support offered to you. This moment will pass and there will come a time when you will look back on this difficult period and be proud of yourself for how you got through. Hang in there!

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Look, masses of sympathy but I honestly think a bit of tough love is more helpful.

The rest of your life will be how you choose to make it. Cancer does NOT and must NOT define you. If you spend your time being terrified and imagining everything bad that could ever happen, you will not have a life worth leading. And you will upset your friends and alienate even the closest family who will, eventually, feel that nothing they can do helps and they might as well give up trying.

These are still really early days for you so you don’t, as yet, know the extent of the problem, nor do you have a treatment plan. Once these are in place you have to put your head down and plod on day by day, working through the various treatments until hey, like magic, it is at an end.

Please see things as they really are. You are a young woman with a daughter and friends and family and I can imagine masses of support. Not to mention possibly fifty+ years of wonderful life to lead. I was felled by cancer four years ago of a particularly aggressive type and have had surgery/chemo/radiotherapy and all the rest of it. I am a lot older than you and came through just fine. Sure, I lost a boob and my hair. Not great but in the scope of my life, not world shattering. I invested in good lingerie, bought nice wigs and just got on with leading a busy professional and social life as I had before. Yes, you are left with some tiredness but my hair is better than it has ever been and the loss of a boob is not the greatest tragedy in the world.

Of course we are all different and I have always been a glass half full person of great determination and I just wanted a good life. So I persevered, and I suffered the treatments and kept thinking positively. Please try to stop your mind wandering down all sorts of blind alleys because that way madness lies. You are a special person who has contracted a nasty disease which you must work with your medical team to eradicate. Do NOT eradicate your personality along the way - for most of us cancer is but a blip which we have the strength to overcome.

I am sending you all the waves of positivity I can. You might like to consider my mother who had a double mastectomy and all the resultant treatments at 80. She died last year at 101 having continued being her usual life-and-soul-of-the-party self.

You can do this

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Thank you thank you! I am getting stronger as the days go by and I’ll know I’ll beat this. I’ve always been an inpatient person but I guess this will teach me! I know I’ll come out the other side a stronger person. Glad you have made a full recovery and thank you for the tough love :heart:

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Hello!
I thought I would jump on and offer some words of encouragement along with everyone else!
My world was also turned upside down when I was diagnosed, Im 28, recently got my dream job (started on the Monday, diagnosed on the Thursday) and had been planning on moving house. I honestly thought my life was over. But like everyone’s said, this is the worst bit. The waiting around is so painful and our minds naturally wonder to find conclusions. I went into the numb stage as soon as I was told and remember sobbing in the room whilst repeating “its fine! Its okay!” Whilst my breast care nurse said "it really isnt… its rubbish":joy:. It didnt hit me until my oncologist said a couple of weeks later that Id be unable to go to Taylor Swift and a close friends wedding and i remember being so angry that everything had been taken away from me.
However, once you know a treatment plan, things become so much easier to navigate and the way I look about it now is “once its done its done”. This is just one chapter in my life and I will be able to write loads of other chapters in the future.
Its okay to feel every emotion you are feeling right now and will be okay to feel it for however long in the future but only you can change the way you approach these situations :sparkling_heart:. I had a horrific day on Monday, was bored at home, feeling sorry for myself and did the ultimate stupid thing of researching prognosis (this scared the crap out of me) and ended up sobbing to my partner for 3 hours because I was scared. But I woke up on Tuesday and thought to myself I am not letting this get me down and take anymore of my life. So I decided to try and do three things every day that makes me happy. This has really helped. Please reach out to the lovely people here because everyone has been added to this club that no one wants to be apart of but we all know how it feels​:sparkling_heart:

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Thanks for your message and I’m wishing you a speedy recovery. You’ve got a great attitude and I love the three things a day. Think I’m going to give it a try.

I’ve also done the same and gone down a rabbit hole, looking at mastectomies, asking ChatGPT questions. I sobbed for 24hrs! I’ve decided to try and stay off it now and just use this forum.

I’m currently having a glass of wine and waiting for some friends to come over :smiling_face:

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Hello again @jnra

I’m so pleased to come back and read the messages on this thread: as promised the people you meet in this place really are some of the loveliest people in the world.

We are all here for each other, we all know about the times of feeling so low and the endless sobbing, it’s what makes us human

I really hope you have a lovely evening with your friends, and you get to laugh a bit, sob a bit and everything in between: and even if you don’t this evening remember there will always be other opportunities to do so

AM xxx

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Hey lovely, you’re in the worst hit. The absolute worst. I had 33m and an 11mm IDC ER+ HER2-ve and in loads of lymph nodes. My odds of 15 year survival is super high after surgery/axillary clearance, 6 rounds of chemo (ended yesterday) and 3 weeks of radio and endless drugs to come. It’s been hard but it’s not Stage 4. That’s ALL that matters. The uncertainty you face until biopsies are done is HELL.

If it’s in nodes, it will be chemo however I don’t know how they can tell you it’s ER+ if they haven’t biopsied. They can’t see ER+ or PR+ on an ultrasound or MRI.

Annoying that he didn’t do biopsies while doing ultrasound as that’s what they normally do. I swear the NHS loves to be as inefficient as possible.

Do you have private healthcare with work? I luckily did and I’ve gone from first consultation on 29th of Jan to finishing mastectomy/chemo and radiotherapy by the 19th of September this year. I’m stunned at the lack of speed on the NHS in comparison.

A nurse told me the day I was diagnosed that the first month is the WORST. I thought the fear for the rest of my life would be the worst. She was totally right. It gets so much easier once you have a plan of attack and are working with facts. I promise you that! Xxx

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Morning, congrats on finishing chemo!! How did you find it?

So I had my first biopsy on 3 June and on 24th they told me it was cancer and I read on my doctors note that it’s was ER+ but waiting for fish results.

She initially told me it wasn’t in lymph nodes but the MRI had shown something which is why they are now sending me for another ultrasound but if needed, strangely, they wont do the biopsy at the same time and I have to go to another hospital. Maybe it’s a more intense biopsy.

Would be great if they could be a bit more efficient! Funny thing is I was looking at bupa about six months ago. So wish I had signed up!

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Hey lovely. Chemo has been super hard if I’m honest. It’s the hardest part by a country mile and has wiped me out of life from March 21st until what will be the end of July. However, I’ve got through it with an amazing group of girls on here. I found EC much better than Docetaxel while some find it the other way around. I shaved my hair after the first cycle and just before second so my hair hasn’t ruled me which helped.

This may sound a bit creepy but there have been more upsides to cancer than downsides for me. I used to worry about everything and have awful anxiety. I don’t really care about much these days because I truly know what matters now. Some people have been off the chart amazing while others have just dropped by the wayside once the initial excitement of ‘cancer’ subsided. Some family have surprised me with their brilliance while others have shown their inability to communicate emotion. Most of it gives you an insight into the fear that others feel about your cancer. Most stupid responses are actually about them and not you. I think someone should create a ‘cancer bingo’ game of stupid things people say to you that make no sense. :joy:

As for your daughter, maybe consider holding off telling her until you’re working with definitives. It’s different as my kids are younger (15/13/9) so we waited for a firm plan and prognosis (like with you, the wait for the HER2 result was the slowest bit and determined whether chemo came before surgery or after). 21 sounds grown up but it really isn’t. She is still very young so maybe consider waiting as her emotions will be another thing for you to take on once she knows. I personally preferred giving a fixed plan with reassurance and the kids have coped so well because of it. Having pure honest facts seems to have been a big part of that.

I’d be amazed if they’ve booked you in for a specialist ultrasound to follow up an MRI and aren’t doing an ultrasound guided biopsy in that session. I’m also disappointed that your consultant just gave you results by showing you a screen and not explaining anything.

This may sound odd but whether it’s HER2-ve or +ve, you got a decent cancer to get in terms of therapies on offer. ER+ is the best. PR+ comes with some limitations, Hormone Receptor -ve comes with even more complications. ER+ve has a clear pathway and ability to not only block oestrogen production but to also block oestrogen receptors in cells and other drugs to block oestrogen being converted by Aromatases and other drugs that inhibit kinases in cancer cells and basically disrupt cancer cells, enabling your body to kill the cells. That is a drug that has managed to put Stage 4 people in a disease free state. Those aren’t even the chemo! This is all AFTER chemo. The options are incredible for ER+. It’s like a tree diagram of endless hope now that I’m at that stage and starting hormone/endocrine/targeted therapies.

Don’t be afraid to bulldoze your doctor. Don’t be afraid to call your BCN and bulldoze. The power of the BCN is not to be underestimated. Surgeons are a strange bunch. They depend on BCN’s to push things through and make things happen. The BCN’s are where the magic happens in my experience. They are often needed to be the link between a surgeon with surgeon communication skills and ego to enable the surgeon to interact with the rest of the world. Not all surgeons but definitively more than you’d expect. The oncologists tend to have better communication skills and it gets easier from there in :joy:

My surgery happened very quickly once the HER2 result came in as -ve and meant it was surgery then chemo. Normally it’s a 2-3 weeks wait for it (private or NHS) and was the most frustrating one to wait for! They booked provisional surgery while waiting for the HER2 though which helped speed things along.

The main thing to know is whether you’ll need radio (normally you do with IDC and nodes). This delays reconstruction. Radiotherapy has a very high change of ruining a reconstruction so you have to delay it until after. In a weird way, I found that focussed the mind. I’ve had to mourn my left boob and I’ve just made peace with it and suddenly reconstruction feels like the last thing on my mind. I will still reconstruct eventually but my priority is getting my strength back from chemo and being strong again and I’m living to get my taste back from Docetaxel! Life isn’t fun when you can’t taste any food :joy:

I hope this makes you feel better rather than worse. There’s a lot of positives in your type of cancer but really don’t be afraid to bulldoze. Even if you call the breast clinic where you’re having the scan and ask why they’re not doing a biopsy. We have an awful NHS hospital near us and I had to go there for my specialist scan and they were actually slick as can be and did ultrasound + biopsy + marker then mammogram and then another ultrasound, all in 45 mins on my follow up ultrasound. I didn’t know they were covering so much ground before I went in so hopefully they’ll surprise you.

Also, be aware that your cancer Grade can change from biopsy to mastectomy. Mine was Grade 3 in biopsy but after they removed it the pathology came back as Grade 2 so less aggressive (HER2 -ve is less aggressive but there are pro’s and con’s to both in long term prognosis and chemo treatments etc so don’t sweat that result too much!).

Start thinking about what you want. A lot of people are desperate for ‘only’ a lumpectomy. But then I’ve seen so many people have three ops just to get clear margins which comes with a lot of scar tissue and operations and recoveries. I personally told them to not even offer a lumpectomy. I wanted maximum margins. A half missing boob is as bad as a whole missing boob. It’s still not a boob in my head if my nipple is gone (as with all ductal carcinomas) and half the breast tissue is gone. It felt better to make it a complete operation with better margins and then fix it another day after genetics are back (they take 3 months) and I know if another boob needs to go.

They’re not going horribly slowly on yours at all. The diagnostics take forever. You’re through most of it now and the next specialist scan, if it’s only lymph nodes, doesn’t necessarily change much. If they’re suspecting node involvement then it just adds an axillary clearance rather than just sentinel node removal. It may not actually delay it much at all but the Multi Disciplinary Team need to know to plan and they need your HER2. Your cancer will be taken seriously as it’s Invasive rather than In Situ so it automatically a Stage 2 and possibly 3, depending on how many nodes there are. That sounds scary but it really isn’t a huge deal from a prognosis point of view. Surgery is great but so much of the magic happens in chemo and radio and drugs with breast cancer. Surgery is 50% of your prognosis. That’s it.

Keep your chins up this weekend and know there is a gargantuan tree diagram of options ahead of you, not one option and fingers crossed. The arsenal against your cancer is enormous and so many permutations exist to fight it so, while it’s overwhelming, there is soooooo much hope. Xxx

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Thank you. I had no idea they removed the nipple with a lumpectomy :flushed: and that you have to wait for reconstruction. Do they build a new nipple and can you ask for reconstruction at the same time? I also read that if you have a mastectomy then radiation is less likely…

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Mastectomy has no bearing on radio. If it’s in the nodes, they have to blast the nodes and the internal mammary chain and possibly up to supraclavicular fossa. They’re also blasting your chest wall in case it’s permeated there. Nothing really to do with breast tissue only. There are more structures at play than just breast tissue.

They tattoo nipples back on. I struggled with images of mastectomies. It was all morbidly obese women with mangled torsos. I’m a size 10/12 and mine doesn’t look anything like the lumpy monstrosities I saw online. It’s tidy and seamless and neat with no lumps and bumps at all. It’s not winning any beauty contests but it’s not like 99% of the pics online. It managed my expectations at least! :joy:

I would really encourage you to keep your eyes on the prize though. It’s in your nodes so your treatment will be belts and braces and that’s a good thing! My surgeon would ban lumpectomies if she had her way as she believes that mastectomies have better long term outcomes and honestly loads of people hate their lumpectomies anyway so it may be better to get the margins and hate what you see rather than take a risk and still hate what you see! It’s so personal so I can only give my viewpoint though! X

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They don’t - depending on where the tumour is. Most IDCs are upper outer quadrant, so nowhere near the nipple. That’s where mine was and I have a neat 3 inch scar down from my armpit from which they took the tumour with clear margins and 2 sentinel nodes ( both clear). You need to discuss all of this with your surgeon when you finally get the data. There is no right or wrong in the lumpectomy/mastectomy debate. Survival statistics show that it is 50/50. There are pros and cons to each solution.

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They don’t automatically, depebds where cancer is . I had a lumpectomy for a 2cm lobular cancer , but I have FF boobs .
I lost 32g of my boob but only have a small dent and a good physio , who showed me how to massage scar tissue , has reduced a lot of the lumpiness . I lost 3 lymph nodes ( clear ) but the scars are healing with massage .
Statistically , the survival \recurrence rates are similar for lumpectomy or mastectomy , if you have radiotherapy.
Also , even if you have a mastectomy , you can still get a recurrence , see Dr Liz o’ riordan on Instagram .

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I know 2 women who had mastectomies but still had radio.

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Hi @jnra Just a note that I had a lumpectomy for a 23mm tumour and got clear margins (although it is in my nodes :face_with_diagonal_mouth:). I lost my nipple as tumour was just behind it, and was initially concerned about that. However I can honestly say it doesn’t bother me at all now and I actually prefer the shape of the operated side. The scar is very neat and hardly visible really after 3 months.
I am looking at chemo etc still which to me is more concerning but plenty of people get through it!
Best of luck for a good outcome! :two_hearts:

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Great that you’re happy with the outcome and good luck with chemo :heart:

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Hi
I had a lumpectomy close to the nipple, was warned I might lose it but when I woke up and asked I hadn’t, now just a small dent there.
Was in 2 out of 8 lymph nodes and didn’t have chemo, was given the oncodx test and that was 11 so they said I wouldn’t benefit from chemo.

Good luck with your journey
Xx

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Wow, what an amazing outcome. That would be a dream :raised_hands:

I had multi focal tumours covering an area of 6.5 cm - unfortunately no choice but mastectomy, but clear margins and the dodgey node on MRI was clear on lymph node biopsy. 5 years hormone therapy, no chemo. Hopefully you’ll have the same outcome :crossed_fingers: it’s not always the worst case… Try not to panic until you have the full picture. Sending hugs and positive vibes xx

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